Exantas Skoda Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI

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Exantas Skoda Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI

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I have a Skoda 5J with the ugly Green IC with code

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HW: 5J0 920 810 E
   Component: KOMBI         H15 0206
with

And I want to change to a maxidot White one. So I bought the following USED IC

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HW: 5J0 920 841 E
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0305
and production date of the instrument cluster 09.11.11

I bring the instrument in "vergin mode" - zero km and zero attached keys and try to adapt on my car.

I transfer the VIN/ID, CS and PIN (Power class is not available on the old green cluster) from the old cluster to the "new" one .

I add my existing keys to the new cluster, but the instrument show a message "no key in range".

I do the process all over again but this time I try with a new blank TP24 ID48 Megamos Chip Glass. The TP24 chip is added, but I get the same message on from the IC "no key in range". I scan the chip again and it shows that now is TP23 (I have done the process twice and both times the same result)

Old cluster eeprom is 24C32 but the "new" one is 24C64. Menu functionality with trip button looks 100% functioning. Indication lamps and gages look functioning (oc I can't test Rev and speedo).

I am on a dead end and out of ideas at the moment.
Is there something that someone can propose or the project is a lost cause ?

Thank you for your time


My cars auto scan

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VIN: TMBJN25J5Bxxxxxx   License Plate: 
Mileage: 86190km-53555mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 5J-SK25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56

VIN: TMBJN25J5Bxxxxxx   Mileage: 86190km-53555miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CBZB)       Labels:. 03F-906-070-CBZ.clb
   Part No SW: 03F 906 070 N    HW: 03F 906 070 N
   Component: SIMOS10.20H02 9854  
   Revision: --------    Serial number:               
   Coding: 001100D6200400080000
   Shop #: WSC 13765 031 00052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS02103F906070N 003009
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS_003_VW25.rod
   VCID: 2D5130447C88F4224E-8078

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ABS82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 S    HW: 6R0 907 379 AB
   Component: ABS8.2 front  H03 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 400100DB007500BB022C00E200D200000000
   Shop #: WSC 39901 003 1048576
   VCID: 4E9357C81D4EEF3A17-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 820 045 B    HW: 5J0 820 045 B
   Component: Climatic       12 0670  
   Revision: 0003S 12    
   VCID: 2447D5602742356A91-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R7 937 086 F    HW: 6R7 937 086 B
   Component: PQ25 BCM      H10 0017  
   Revision: -3------    Serial number: 1002430401    
   Coding: 64980B3808010000003000003E0A08C00040400F600000000000
   Shop #: WSC 39901 003 1048576
   VCID: 46836FE8F13E277AAF-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 M    HW: 6R0 959 801 M  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3210 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 P    HW: 6R0 959 802 P  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3210 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 D    HW: 6R0 959 811 D
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 3210 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 D    HW: 6R0 959 812 D
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 3210 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 020000

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10AirbagT20 H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX0076M12
   Coding: 003230
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4A9B5BD8ED26C31A4B-801E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3495RRB405N6THNCD8IT

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3505RRB405L6THNCNHEY

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5J0 920 810 E    HW: 5J0 920 810 E
   Component: KOMBI         H15 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110A00
   Shop #: WSC 13765 031 00052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 285FC150536AD10ABD-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R7 937 086 B
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0017  
   Revision: -3------    
   Coding: 232200
   Shop #: WSC 39901 003 1048576
   VCID: 70EFE930A33AD9CA25-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H15 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03006
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6ADBFB588DE6231A6B-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 10140
   Shop #: WSC 13765  
   VCID: 2F6D2A4CEA8486327C-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 035 152 A    HW: 5J0 035 152 A
   Component: Radio         H08 0006  
   Revision: R0000000    Serial number: SKZAZ6K0423616
   Coding: 050002000006
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00052
   VCID: 204FD970335A294AF5-8074

No fault code found.
My car's general info

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Parameter	Value
Brand	SKODA
Model	FABIA AMBIENTE ESTATE
VIN	TMBJN25J5Bxxxxxx
Check digit	Ok
Sales id	5452J4

Production date	2010-09-23
Model year	2011
Engine code	CBZB (TSI)
Engine number	000
Engine volume, L	1.20
Number of cylinders	4
Power, KW	77
Power, PS	105
Colour of body	8E (SILVER: reflexsilver metallic)
Trim	BB
Gearbox code	LMG (5S)
Country of sale	000 ()
The car from which I got the IC from

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Brand	SKODA
Model	FABIA ELEGANCE COMBI
VIN	TMBJM65J8Cxxxxxx
Check digit	Ok
Sales id	5454F4
Production date	2011-11-14
Model year	2012
Engine code	CBZA (TSI)
Engine number	000
Engine volume, L	1.20
Number of cylinders	4
Power, KW	63
Power, PS	86
Colour of body	9P (CANDYWEISS: candy white)
Trim	EG
Gearbox code	MFX (5S)
Country of sale	000 ()
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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From what you said - you just move immo data , not key data
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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Have tried to move immo data and then learn the old keys. Instrument shows 0-3 and it wont accept registering the old keys.

It would accept new ID48 chip which is precoded to TP24, for some reason will convert it to TP23. The key count will change to 1-3 but the car won't start. Even when the cluster show 1-3 for registered keys it continues show message (no key in range).

Have tried to move immo data and old keys (not learn them separately) on one go and while program show old keys as registered , IC show 0-3 and the message (no key in range).
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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some data must be not right if show 0-3
0-3 means - you type 3 keys but non of them is Dealer key , so failed while learning
if you learn new Key - and show 1-3 , that you make new dealer key , and learn success , but because of immo data not right - car cat start

hard to say what is wrong, what you do wrong ... or what device you use
maybe device read data wrong

contact some lock smith to fix this
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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My car is a Fabia 5j face-lift produced in 2010 and I have the original factory keys with the car that show tp24.

"new" IC is from Fabia car produced in 2011. When tried to adapt a blank new tp24 capsule, and the IC show 1-3, the capsule was shown as tp23 afterwards.

Is it possible that Skoda start using tp23 capsule from year 2011 and that is why new used IC can't see the original to the car keys, when I try to learn them?


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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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Project is stuck for now. I can't find a way to adapt the immo from 5J0 920 841 E cluster with my car.

Even we set the cluster to vergin state and drove the car to local Skoda dealership. When we connect the 5J0 920 841 E cluster on the car, the official Skoda SW couldn't connect to the immo module.

What options do I have now? Is there something more I can try with the IC I have?

Alternatively I have found a 5J0 920 840 E IC which is produced the same year as my car.

I attach images from my current cluster,
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the 5J0 920 841E I have now

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and this 5J0 920 840 E I am thinking to get.



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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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you must do some wrong, or cluster was corrupted before you start , so now you cant fix it
i recommend to go to good lock smith service to fix it
i can look that and but i need both clusters
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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The info I can find for the ICs are
Untitled-5j.jpg
Also my IC 810E has 24C32 eeprom
and 841E has 24C64 eeprom

Does this matter in a way that 841E is not compatible to my car?

I understand that I have to go to locksmith. I don't have the experience to move on myself.
I am asking cause I try to understand/collect all the info I can.
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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exantas wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:24 pm The info I can find for the ICs are


Also my IC 810E has 24C32 eeprom
and 841E has 24C64 eeprom

Does this matter in a way that 841E is not compatible to my car?
no, no matter
immo type is compatibile.... no matter if 24C32 or C64 ...both are ok
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

Post by MaDwArLoCk »

It’s not possible to say what are you doing wrong until you will show us step by step(screenshots + detailed description) of your adaptation process.
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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I don't have access to the software (arbites with its interfaces) any more, so I can't provide any screen image. I described the process the best I could on my first post.

From the original IC we read the VIN/ID, CS and PIN (Power class is not available on the old green cluster).

Could not bring the new IC in service mode from OBD port, so
1. unsoldered the eeprom chip from the IC
2. bring it in service mode on the bench
3. solder the chip back on the IC
4. Connect IC on the car and then through the OBD port and arbites SW I transfer the VIN/ID, CS and PIN (Power class is not available on the old green cluster) from the old cluster to the "new" one .

On every attempt to "add key" in the immo, my existing keys where unsuccessful. The instrument show a message "no key in range" and the count on the IC will always show 0-3.
Even tried to add key with new blank TP24 ID48 Megamos Chip Glass. The TP24 chip was added, count change to 1-3 but IC continue to get the same message on from the IC "no key in range". Scanned the Megamos chip again and it shows that now is TP23 (I have done the process twice and both times the same result).
The car would not even try to start with that chip showed as learned.

Maybe I was missing something or did something wrong. Tried the process nearly 10 different times,but no success.
Since I don't have access to the SW anymore I can only speculate now.
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Re: Retrofit Maxidot instrument cluster on Skoda Fabia 5J 2010 model

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well... you can do 1000psc swap cluster and 1001 will not work
and you need to know how to recognize issue , what data not match, what data need ECU maybe synchronize , maybe software corrupted ...nobody know
even if you do all like step by step - is not like monkey job
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Re: Exantas Skoda Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI

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I don't have installed a MFD cluster yet in my car (I will update the thread when I have some progress), but my mind is already on the next change for the car.

I want to install cruise control on my model 2011 Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI, and I am collecting the parts that I think I will need.
My car came with trip computer stalk 6Q0 953 503 DQ
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but the only reasonably priced new OEM kit that I could find was one that is including 6Q0 953 513 AL
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Instead of finding a stalk with cruise control and trip buttons, I am thinking to install a MFSW from an 2010-11 Octavia or Superb that has the trips function buttons on the steering
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But I am also thinking, is it possible to fit a steering wheel from a later model fabia 5J instead ?
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More specifically, will the existing slip ring (6Q0 959 653 B) work with the new type of steering wheel?
I try to find the connector type and the pin out for the newer type of steering wheels but elsawin I have access to, has no data for cars after 2013.

Does anybody with more up to date elsa win can pull the diagram for me ?

Here is the diagram for my car
mfsw-diagram.jpg
Thanks in advance
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Re: Exantas Skoda Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI

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On the later model MFSW matter, I did some research on internet and ETKA/ElsaWin.

5J FL Fabia came with 4 interchangeable slip ring models:

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>>27.05.2012
6Q0 959 653 B
6Q0 959 654 D (for ESP)

28.5.2012>>
6R0 959 653 
6R0 959 654 (for ESP)

>>09.12.2013
6Q0 959 653 B
6Q0 959 654 D (for ESP)

09.12.2013>>
6R0 959 653 
6R0 959 654 (for ESP)
I have a read about a user where he has successfully retrofitted a old style MFSW while on Fabia with 6Q0 959 653 B slip ring
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Also I read about a user who retrofitted MFSW buttons on a car that came with 6Q0 959 654 D, using airbag wiring loom with part# 5E0971584A
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So I come to the conclusion that 6Q0 959 653 B might/should work with 5E0971584A airbag cable. Now I have to actually verify it on my car.

In the process, I found out that:

[*]Not all button models from new style steering wheel will work on 5J FL Fabia.
From this post https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/4 ... nt=4862593
I came to the conclusion that it has to be one of the followings

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- 5E0919719C (Fabia2, Rapid, Roomster)
- 5E0919719D (Fabia2, Roomster)
- 5E0919719E (Rapid, MK2 FL Superb, FL Yeti)
- 5E0919719F (Rapid, MK2 FL Superb, FL Yeti)
- 5E0919719G (MK2 FL Superb, FL Yeti)
[*]The buttons on the right side of the steering wheel will function as replacement of the trips buttons on the wipers stalk, only if the car has a Maxi Dot IC.
If the car has the lower spec green screen, the trips buttons on the wipers stalk is the only way to go through the indications on the IC.

Once again, all my conclusions/notes are theoretical to this point and I will have to verify them on my car, in order to confirm them.
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Re: Exantas Skoda Fabia 5J 1.2 TSI

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Does anybody know a way to identify where cable junctions are located in the car? I am talking about junctions like B528,B320 etc
mfsw-diagram.jpg
Are these locations available somewhere in ElsaWin? Or maybe some other source ?
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