ciclo's Polo. R-line 1.2 TSI 90hp 119gr.

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Re: ciclo's Polo. R-line 1.2 TSI 90hp 119gr.

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So, I gave it a try, but VCDS will throw the following error: Coding rejected / Error 31: Request out of range" while setting the new coding.

My WRMs are in a Seat Ibiza 6J (PQ25) and also used in the Skoda Fabia 5J. But you've mentioned the Jetta and the Amarok and after some research I found out that they have the same problem..:-(

The new Ibiza 6P (MQB) WRMs do support auto folding with car lock and have the part numbers "6R0 959 801 DT / 6R0 959 802 EE" - but I suppose that there are the same problems on my Ibiza 6J (PQ25) as with the Polo 6C (MQB) WRMs "6R0 959 801 CE / 6R0 959 802 CJ" which won't support auto folding when locking the car in the Polo 6R (PQ25) either. (The "6R0 959 801 BD / 6R0 959 802 BF" can't be ordered any more for the Polo 6R and have been exchanged to "6R0 959 801 CE / 6R0 959 802 CJ" with loosing auto fold via car lock...)

Thank you for the link to the video - unfortunately PQ25 WRM can't be accessed via channel 42 separately and can only be reached at channel 09 as subsystem of the BCM. So there is no chance to change EEPROM values with VCP right now AFAIK.
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Yes, everything you mention is right, the conclusion is that they only work with the 8 in the software (for the entire PQ25).

We also know (thanks to a good friend 8)) that you can also install the WRMs from Beetle or Cabrio:
LHD
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 BF HW: 6R0 959 801 BF Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
    Component: J386__TSG_FT 004 8662
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BM HW: 6R0 959 802 BM Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
    Component: J387__TSG_BT 004 8662



but they have a fun behavior...

I love it... :lol:
   
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There is an explanation for this "fun behavior": The windows in the doors of the Beatle don't have a frame - so the window opens a litte bit when opening the door and closes completely when door has been closed.

Unfortunately the window mechanism in the Ibiza 6J/6P is working opposite to the one in the Polo 6R/6C - so the window is closing when it should open and vice versa when using Polo/Beetle WRMs...

Any chance that the Ibiza 6P MQB WRMs can be coded in some way so that the signal from the PQ25 BCM to unfold when ignition is turned on will be interpreted correctly?
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Ferris wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:21 pm Unfortunately the window mechanism in the Ibiza 6J/6P is working opposite to the one in the Polo 6R/6C - so the window is closing when it should open and vice versa when using Polo/Beetle WRMs...
hmm... it can be changed by coding.
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ciclo wrote:Yes, everything you mention is right, the conclusion is that they only work with the 8 in the software (for the entire PQ25).


   
There is one exception (so far) to the 8*** rule, the T5 7E0 959 801 K does not have enough pins and does not work, maybe some 6R ones are similar?
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ciclo wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:38 pm hmm... it can be changed by coding.
That's what I thought too! But my information from a german Polo forum is that neither VCDS nor VCP was able to find a coding that will change the behavior of the motor direction. (The manual mirror fold was also activated in "L" position then and not in "fold" position...)

If the internal WRM behavior can be changed by coding, then the Beetle WRM "fun behavior" should also be controlled by coding in theory!
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Hi Adam :D , you're right with the exception. I do not know any 6R WRMs with that HW/SW configuration. (there are many)
The evidence: (Right for RHD)
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What is clear, is that the WRMs should have these pins: (LHD)
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and in turn comply with 8**** rule. (8 or higher).
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Ferris wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:06 pm
ciclo wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:38 pm hmm... it can be changed by coding.
That's what I thought too! But my information from a german Polo forum is that neither VCDS nor VCP was able to find a coding that will change the behavior of the motor direction. (The manual mirror fold was also activated in "L" position then and not in "fold" position...)

If the internal WRM behavior can be changed by coding, then the Beetle WRM "fun behavior" should also be controlled by coding in theory!
Play/test (activate/deactivate) with the bit3 and 4 of Byte2. One or other.
Ferris wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:06 pm If the internal WRM behavior can be changed by coding, then the Beetle WRM "fun behavior" should also be controlled by coding in theory!
I'm afraid it's part of the EEPROM.
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ciclo wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:17 pm Play/test (activate/deactivate) with the bit3 and 4 of Byte2. One or other.
I'll try to find the BD/BF WRMs and give it a try! But what about the wrong behavior with the manual folding in position "L"?
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ciclo wrote:Hi Adam :D , you're right with the exception. I do not know any 6R WRMs with that HW/SW configuration. (there are many)
The evidence: (Right for RHD)
Image

What is clear, is that the WRMs should have these pins: (LHD)
Image

and in turn comply with 8**** rule. (8 or higher).
Hey Fernando [emoji3],you are most correct, as long as the pins are there and 8*** SW then it should work just fine.

With the WRM with odd behaviour, doesn’t the WRM detect different resistance dependent on switch position?
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Ferris wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:59 pm
ciclo wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:17 pm Play/test (activate/deactivate) with the bit3 and 4 of Byte2. One or other.
I'll try to find the BD/BF WRMs and give it a try! But what about the wrong behavior with the manual folding in position "L"?
What is the mirrors switch reference number (part number)?
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Adam87 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:30 pm
Hey Fernando [emoji3],you are most correct, as long as the pins are there and 8*** SW then it should work just fine.

With the WRM with odd behaviour, doesn’t the WRM detect different resistance dependent on switch position?
Take a look here :arrow: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70884&start=30#p530790
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ciclo wrote:
Adam87 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:30 pm
Hey Fernando [emoji3],you are most correct, as long as the pins are there and 8*** SW then it should work just fine.

With the WRM with odd behaviour, doesn’t the WRM detect different resistance dependent on switch position?
Take a look here [emoji666] viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70884&start=30#p530790
Thanks Fernando, great news I suppose [emoji3], I would like to have got ACC working like OEM, but best to have it working at least until that day [emoji4]
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ciclo wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:40 am Hi CoolMan1985, welcome.

Yes, A :arrow: here, please tell me the Model Year (MY), year of manufacture, tenth digit of the VIN ... or post an autoscan if you have VCDS. Thanks
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sorry for my late reply :oops: I have made a autoscan for you :) the car it`s a 2013 model.

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Lørdag,24,Februar,2018,15:47:32:63534
VCDS -- Windows baseret VAG/VAS emulator - Kører på Windows 10 x64
VCDS version: NEZ 18.2.0.3  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Dataversion: 20180222 DS287.0
www.vcds.dk

Stelnummer: WVWZZZ6RZDY015110   Indreg.nr.: 
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04-Styrevinkel -- Status: Ok 0000
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09-Centralelektrik -- Status: Ok 0000
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17-Instrument -- Status: Ok 0000
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25-Startspærre -- Status: Ok 0000
44-Servostyring -- Status: Ok 0000
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61-Batteriregulering -- Status: Ok 0000
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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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            002 - Under nedre grænseværdi - Periodisk
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                    Tidsindikation: 0
                    Dato: 2012.07.13
                    Tid: 15:40:43

             Fryseramme:
                    Hex værdi: 0x0000
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                    Hex værdi: 0x1203
                    Hex værdi: 0x2BBD
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                    Hex værdi: 0x7F7E
                    Hex værdi: 0x7F00


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   Komponent	: Climatronic   H11 0711  
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   VCID: 382A2002B25C09278A8-806C

Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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   Komponent	: J386__TSG_FT  008 1611 
   Serienummer: KU0KU020051200010555
   Kodning	: 58BC30

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   Komponent	: J387__TSG_BT  008 1611 
   Serienummer: KU0KU014051200013396
   Kodning	: 58BC30

   Undersystem 4 - Styreenhedsnr: SW: 6R0 959 811 G    HW: 6R0 959 811 G
   Komponent	: J388__TSG_HL  008 1611 
   Serienummer: KU0KU014051200015077
   Kodning	: 58BC32

   Undersystem 5 - Styreenhedsnr: SW: 6R0 959 812 G    HW: 6R0 959 812 G
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   Serienummer: KU0KU015051200016374
   Kodning	: 58BC32

Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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   Forhandler	: WSC 01383 785 00200
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   Crashsensor til sideairbag i førerside: 
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   Crashsensor til sideairbag i passagerside: 
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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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   Forhandler	: WSC 00788 648 00255
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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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   Styreenhedsnr:: 6R0 423 156 C
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   Forhandler	: WSC 12787  
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Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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00856 - Antenne - på radio 
            007 - Kortslutning til stel
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                    Tidsindikation: 0
                    Dato: 2012.07.17
                    Tid: 15:44:48


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Styreenhed  61: Batteriregulering (J840)     Forklaringsfil:. NEZ\1K0-907-534.clb
   Styreenhedsnr: SW: 6R0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Komponent	: Batt.regelung H38 0041  
   Serienummer: 110512F2001017
   Kodning	: 030B1A59
   Forhandler	: WSC 00788 648 00255
   VCID: 74B2D432EEB4AD47660-8020

   Undersystem 1 - Styreenhedsnr: SW: 6R0 915 181 E    HW: 6R0 915 181 E
   Komponent	: J367-BDM  H08 0181 
   Serienummer: 00000000004970234865

Ingen fejlkoder fundet.

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CoolMan1985 wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:58 pm
ciclo wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:40 am Hi CoolMan1985, welcome.

Yes, A :arrow: here, please tell me the Model Year (MY), year of manufacture, tenth digit of the VIN ... or post an autoscan if you have VCDS. Thanks
Hey ciclo

sorry for my late reply :oops: I have made a autoscan for you :) the car it`s a 2013 model.

Hi CoolMan1985.
There is no problem at all.

Thanks for the autoscan.
You can install the automatic light wiring ("A" in the sale).
You will have your automatic lights and CH/LH functions, etc ...

Now I send you my email by private message so you can contact me and I can explain the payment and shipping processes of your A wiring.
Fast, easy, safe, efficient, and perfect for you ... you can be totally sure. :wink:
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