retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Yes, but who is expecting kessy on a Polo? ;) Probably not a lot of people.

No I understand your concern, it' a good point. But, you can even open a car with a screwdriver and some strength. Just brute force the lock...
If they want the car, they'll get it. A window can be smashed, an immobiliser can be hacked, an engine can be started.
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Any updates?
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Nothing to report so far. Busy, but on other things ;)
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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update for having nothing to update.

the immobilser part is not really working with me so far.

Normal Polo 6R:
Immobiliser is located in Instrument Cluster, the immobiliser chip reader and steering column lock are in the ignition lock. The immobilser works together with the Engine ECU to authorize start.

Modified Polo 6R with Kessy:
Immobiliser is located in Instrument Cluster
Immobiliser chip reader is distributed between start button and by proxy (kessy aerials)
Kessy aerials connect to kessy module
Electronic steering column lock is now part of the immobiliser too
The start button is connected to the steering column lock
Keys are completely new

So... what to do:
Programm IC to new keys
Match keys with steering column lock
Match keys with kessy module
Match steering column lock with IC

This process is done by a person I'd call a friend now. He's very busy making it all work, and with some small successes too. The new kessy keys can now start the engine... But not yet with the start button.
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Thank you very much for the information. You two are doing a great job. 8)
I hope you both have success with the start button soon.
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Looks good.
Please can you explain it? Thanks.
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Yes master ;-)

It's the emergency start procedure. Here you hold the key against the reader coil and press the start button. This involves the electronic steering column lock, tacho, key and engine ECU. This works together now.

The next and final step is start by proxy, to detect the key by proxy through the kessy antennas. This will enable true keyless start and keyless entry and exit.
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Ok thanks. Awesome, good luck with that final step. :wink:
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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quick autoscan, just need to adapt the keys to the kessy module to make keyless entry and keyless start possible.. :-)

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Thursday,15,June,2017,14:43:53:62066
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYiichel   License Plate: 
Mileage: 10km-6mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 6R (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 10 15 17 19 20 25 2B 2E 37 3C 44 47 55 56 61 69 6C 77

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYiichel   Mileage: 10km-6miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
20-High Beam Assist. -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J000-CFWA)       Labels: 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
   Part No SW: 03P 906 021 B    HW: 03P 907 425 
   Component: R3 1.2l TDI   H06 9978  
   Revision: 12005001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00114036033401080000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021B 001041
   ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA.rod
   VCID: 2757FDE35E1F667988-8072

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 210248E3416F00B7842B12E782D500521700
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 07179D63B2DF4679A8-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels: 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
   Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0346244897
   Coding: 000F0F
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
   ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_VW01.rod
   VCID: 37772DA38EBFF6F918-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 H    HW: 6R0 907 044 H
   Component: Climatronic   H12 0812  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 38752E9F8BA1F98111-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 090     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0733  
   Revision: B9080001    Serial number: 0771 092150183
   Coding: 3CB02FF828CB2400933806E2FFEB9FD080A273EFE08D78D0228400030800
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 B  Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS 140415 03  37  0059 
   Coding: 0714DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 BD    HW: 6R0 959 801 BD  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8611 
   Serial number: KU0KU011111300010103
   Coding: 0200A3

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BF    HW: 6R0 959 802 BF  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8611 
   Serial number: KU0KU007111300016463
   Coding: 1000AB

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442     HW: 1K8 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H03 0103 
   Serial number: 27140002547420014516
   Coding: A4FFFF

   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 B    HW: 6R0 959 811 B
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 0803 
   Serial number: KU0-KU008.06.0910897
   Coding: 08BC32

   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 B    HW: 6R0 959 812 B
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 0803 
   Serial number: KU0-KU004.06.0913330
   Coding: 08BC32

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 L    HW: 7N0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0106  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 28231422402620
   Coding: 318001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS.rod
   VCID: 3B7F3193B297D299FC-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag01M H10 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX0142TCE
   Coding: 00314D
   Shop #: WSC 01383 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_VW25.rod
   VCID: 4A916457ED4D7B1177-801E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB40650BI7U48C8

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB405J09RECEOUJ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB405T0BTBEF9G7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405R0BTBEKPFQ

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 870 A    HW: 6R0 920 870 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 140E01
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_A04_VW25.rod
   VCID: 336F19B39AC71AD924-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733  
   Revision: B9080001    
   Coding: 042201
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 20: High Beam Assist. (J844)       Labels: 8S0-857-511.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 857 511 G    HW: 7E0 857 511 E
   Component: FLA           H10 0003  
   Revision: AA001001    
   Coding: 040C00E200000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316 001004
   ROD: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316.rod
   VCID: 2E5908C771E537314B-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6AD1C4D78D8D9B1157-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels: 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 B    HW: 5K0 905 861 B
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H20 0240  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 11000256123005
   Coding: 4100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 2F6715C376EF3E3940-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 G    HW: 5N0 035 342 G
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H19 0770  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7666620365    
   Coding: 010100
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 2B5F01D34AF742196C-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 H
   Component: RNS-MID       H26 6276  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
   Coding: 00070002010000A10001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 366920A781B50FF103-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V14  8477 

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 566 B    HW: 4L0 907 566 A
   Component: J0769 SWA MasterH14 0120  
   Revision: 00H14000    Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-07
   Coding: 0010161
   Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
   VCID: 2F6715C3BEEF3E3940-807A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7E0 907 568 B
   Component: J0770 SWA Slave H09 0110

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-27

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 5F31.03.1100H090003CH21982ˇ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: H21982ˇ

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11220
   Shop #: WSC 00788  
   VCID: 2F6715C3EAEF3E3940-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 C    HW: 5C6 035 456 C
   Component: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA098C0000052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4 001001
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4.rod
   VCID: 2855FEDF5301690181-807C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels: 6R0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 
   Component: LWR-ECU       H02 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 0192000001000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
   VCID: 77F7EDA3CE3F36F9D8-8022

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 H
   Component: RNS-MID       H26 6276  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
   Coding: 00070002010000A10001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 366920A781B50FF103-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V14  8477 

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 534     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: Batt.regelung H80 0733  
   Serial number: 0771 092150183
   Coding: 03071A5A
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 68D5BEDF9B81A90141-803C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181     HW: 6C0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223 
   Serial number: 61083A44504351928092

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 E    HW: 1K0 907 383 E
   Component: Anhaenger     H07 0080  
   Revision: 3A002002    Serial number: 00000116932377
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 2F6715C37EEF3E3940-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 441     HW: 7E0 907 441 
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 525PA8-J060533
   Coding: 0030115
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 65CBB7EBAC93B4697A-8030

1 Fault Found:
03006 - Back-up Camera System not calibrated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 17
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 3C8-035-730-A.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 E    HW: 3C8 035 730 E
   Component: Telefon       025 0983  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 35502105254406
   Coding: 020100000100010000000101
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002709
   ROD: EV_UHVPremi_002.rod
   VCID: 254BF7EB24137469BA-8070

No fault code found.

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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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You are close to getting it. :wink:
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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So, some kessy update..

Kessy is in it, car can be started by push button
For push button, it needs new steering column trim
For kessy, it also needs electronic steering column lock, does not fit in the current Polo OEM trim
So I bought a Scirocco trim: 1K8 858 599 A
For that it needs the steering column switch to fit, i.e. for VW Up (with rear window washer/wiper): 1S0 959 503 x
For that you need a new steering angle sensor.

I first had one from the Beetle 5C: 5C0 959 653. But this one only works on CAN powertrain protocol 2.0
Our polos still have the protocol 1.6 for the ABS. Probably it will work with the 6RA 959 654.

So, that's the plan now.

I also plan to transform the stalks to those of the Golf 7. Simply because they looks better. Will be a job, to transform CC etc inside the stalk..

Work in progress...
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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iichel wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:17 pm So, some kessy update..

Kessy is in it, car can be started by push button
For push button, it needs new steering column trim
For kessy, it also needs electronic steering column lock, does not fit in the current Polo OEM trim
So I bought a Scirocco trim: 1K8 858 599 A
For that it needs the steering column switch to fit, i.e. for VW Up (with rear window washer/wiper): 1S0 959 503 x
For that you need a new steering angle sensor.

I first had one from the Beetle 5C: 5C0 959 653. But this one only works on CAN powertrain protocol 2.0
Our polos still have the protocol 1.6 for the ABS. Probably it will work with the 6RA 959 654.

So, that's the plan now.

I also plan to transform the stalks to those of the Golf 7. Simply because they looks better. Will be a job, to transform CC etc inside the stalk..

Work in progress...
sir,
you are amazing.
bow down to your dedication and finding way to achieve this.
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Re: retrofitting kessy to the Polo 6R

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I have solution for you
In weekend will add keys again to my car , because device have wrong desctription
seems to be wrong because not working like that , but working in a different way , so need to re-learn all keys again to be sure procedure is good
screw VAS ;)
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