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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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New Sharan and Caddy, T6 (red illumination ) 6C0 p/n
New Polo MQB, Golf 7 Sportsvan, Passat B8, Arteon, Touran 5T, 1K8 Scirocco and many other

example numbers below:
5G0419091P 5G0419091BA 5G0419091 5G0419091DG 5G0419091DF 5G0419091R 5Q0419091AA 5G0959442J 5G0419091DL 5G0419091DN 5GM419091 5G0419090AD 5G0419091DJ 5TA419091G 5TA419091E 5TA419091AE 5TA419091L 5TA419091K 5TA419091C 5TA419091N 5TA419091M 5TA419091AA 6C0419091G 6C0419091BN 6C0419091BT 6C0419091K 6C0419091F

Let me explain a little about BT module.
External BT module recognize SWCM / BCM coding if is code to MFSW or TRIP stalk
Other modules like cluster just need to see proper can message to be operate, BT need more info .
if you have LowLine BCM / SWCM and you install MK7 MFSW , all is working , but when you go to BT - is stuck, because BT cant see you code MFSW in BCM / SWCM, so you cant operate it from MFSW
that is why you need HighLine module and code it to MFSW

If you code it to MFSW and not connect MFSW , BT can be operate from MFSW , but you have error - missing MFSW buttons etc in BCM/SWCM

I call it "BT emulator", because it emulate SLAVE system /subsystem , so BCM/SWCM no longer display error , and BT is working good
Because New MFSW is not connect any longer to existing LIN , this is a only one solution
I not prefere to keep any errors / wrong coding , so this is a solution I have.
No need to ask again - why is that , what is for , because is waste of time to explain .
To minimize desctriptions and explanation......... there is 2 options - for people who have external BT , and for other who NOT have External BT

If BT - need HighLine BCM + my "BT Emulator" + my MFSW module
if NO BT - need LowLine BCM + mu MFSW module
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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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I'm not understanding what we're talking about, I'm lost ahaha[emoji28]

Anyway, I tried to look for a 6r0 bcm but they reach the maximum in 2015 (6r0937087t), higher they are not found. But, there is only one bcm 6r0 of 2017:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3039000565

This bcm is good to make the buttons and lighting work or I need the 1k8 buttons to make them work?
I have to do additional wiring to change my bcm with this?
You know if it is compatible with ch/lh, automatic light and folding mirrors?

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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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spacewalker wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:31 am New Sharan and Caddy, T6 (red illumination ) 6C0 p/n
New Polo MQB, Golf 7 Sportsvan, Passat B8, Arteon, Touran 5T, 1K8 Scirocco and many other

example numbers below:
5G0419091P 5G0419091BA 5G0419091 5G0419091DG 5G0419091DF 5G0419091R 5Q0419091AA 5G0959442J 5G0419091DL 5G0419091DN 5GM419091 5G0419090AD 5G0419091DJ 5TA419091G 5TA419091E 5TA419091AE 5TA419091L 5TA419091K 5TA419091C 5TA419091N 5TA419091M 5TA419091AA 6C0419091G 6C0419091BN 6C0419091BT 6C0419091K 6C0419091F

Let me explain a little about BT module.
External BT module recognize SWCM / BCM coding if is code to MFSW or TRIP stalk
Other modules like cluster just need to see proper can message to be operate, BT need more info .
if you have LowLine BCM / SWCM and you install MK7 MFSW , all is working , but when you go to BT - is stuck, because BT cant see you code MFSW in BCM / SWCM, so you cant operate it from MFSW
that is why you need HighLine module and code it to MFSW

If you code it to MFSW and not connect MFSW , BT can be operate from MFSW , but you have error - missing MFSW buttons etc in BCM/SWCM

I call it "BT emulator", because it emulate SLAVE system /subsystem , so BCM/SWCM no longer display error , and BT is working good
Because New MFSW is not connect any longer to existing LIN , this is a only one solution
I not prefere to keep any errors / wrong coding , so this is a solution I have.
No need to ask again - why is that , what is for , because is waste of time to explain .
To minimize desctriptions and explanation......... there is 2 options - for people who have external BT , and for other who NOT have External BT

If BT - need HighLine BCM + my "BT Emulator" + my MFSW module
if NO BT - need LowLine BCM + mu MFSW module
Fully understood.
I would like to be the first to install them in our 6R.

When they are available I'll buy them (MFSW module and BT emulator).
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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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ciclo wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:34 am
Fully understood.
I would like to be the first to install them in our 6R.

When they are available I'll buy them (MFSW module and BT emulator).
Thank you
First will be "iichel" as we talking about this for a while
but dont worry 8)
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Excellent!
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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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6R0937087AD
2017-2019
This is the best 6R0 BCM High that can be installed nowadays in a 6R (2010-2014 Europe) without having to install additional cables, but it is not a BCM Max.

Only BCM Max supports automatic lights. For BCM Max it's necessary to install many additional wires.


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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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ciclo wrote:

6R0937087AD
2017-2019
This is the best 6R0 BCM High that can be installed nowadays in a 6R (2010-2014 Europe) without having to install additional cables, but it is not a BCM Max.

Only BCM Max supports automatic lights. For BCM Max it's necessary to install many additional wires.


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The rest of the questions are repetitive. Read this topic from the start.
Ok perfect.
You advise me to buy the 1k8 buttons or to change the bcm with that of the ebay link?

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Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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spacewalker wrote:
ciclo wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:34 am
Fully understood.
I would like to be the first to install them in our 6R.

When they are available I'll buy them (MFSW module and BT emulator).
Thank you
First will be "iichel" as we talking about this for a while
but dont worry 8)
Me too Marcin, I have MIB PQ already installed with T6 ACC MFSW, let me know when ready and I’ll have one
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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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Hi

Today i have installed 1k8 buttons but it not work.
On vcds o have selected multofunction steering wheel but it not work. I can't enter on "56-radio" (see photo)Image

Vcds autoscan:

Tuesday,13,March,2018,18:36:44:00001
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY080849 License Plate:
Mileage: 211900km-131668mi Repair Order:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY080849 Mileage: 211900km-131668miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYB) Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 023 MA HW: 03L 907 425 B
Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H33 8849
Revision: --H33--- Serial number:
Coding: 00114016002400080000
Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023MA 003004
ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023LL.rod
VCID: 71E8ED58A0A91BCE75-8024

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1100 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
Revision: --------
Coding: 210228E3417500B2842D14E682DA00421100
Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
VCID: 071CA380B22D357ECB-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: None
Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 G HW: 6R0 820 045 G
Component: Man AC 02 0101
Revision: 0002S 02
VCID: 326A22546D2F60D64C-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 K HW: 6R0 937 087
Component: BCM PQ25 H+4 H46 0251
Revision: BF046001 Serial number: 0434 237113707
Coding: 3CB02BBF08A10000003808006D0B0CD00080412F60860060200000000000
Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
VCID: 45806988CCA1E76EF9-8010

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AB HW: 6R0 959 801 AB Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 008 1611
Serial number: KU0KU025081100010210
Coding: 18BC30

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AD HW: 6R0 959 802 AD Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 008 1611
Serial number: KU0KU001091100015461
Coding: 08BC30

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442 HW: 1K8 959 442
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H04 0103
Serial number: 39170001271300057197
Coding: A40000

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 G HW: 6R0 959 811 G
Component: J388__TSG_HL 008 1611
Serial number: KU0KU017081100014087
Coding: 08BC32

Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 G HW: 6R0 959 812 G
Component: J389__TSG_HR 008 1611
Serial number: KU0KU030081100014426
Coding: 08BC32

2 Faults Found:
00975 - Heated Rear Window (Z1)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 71
Mileage: 210105 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.07.05
Time: 20:27:05

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 211902 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.08.03
Time: 00:13:12


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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K HW: 6R0 959 655 K
Component: VW10Airbag022 H09 0020
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003GX00UZUX8
Coding: 003232
Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250_VW25.rod
VCID: 4A9A5AB4EDBF081614-801E

Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3575HRB40690OCUIB06N

Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 3585HRB40690OCUIDPHJ

Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
Serial number: 3515RRB405B0M98E4981

Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
Serial number: 3525RRB40650MFP6O92Q

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 920 861 H HW: 6R0 920 861 H
Component: KOMBI H04 0206
Serial number: 00000008663469
Coding: 540A00
Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardUDSJCIPQ25 A01015
ROD: EV_DashBoardUDSJCIPQ25_A01_VW25.rod
VCID: 3A7A0A74BD5F989684-806E

2 Faults Found:
13893888 - Function Restricted due to Exessive Voltage
U1401 00 [008] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 3

13893632 - Function Restricted due to Insufficient Voltage
U1400 00 [008] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 210095 km
Date: 2018.02.12
Time: 00:00:09


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 6R0 937 087
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H46 0251
Revision: BF046001
Coding: 002200
Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
VCID: 70EEE85CA3A312C67A-8024

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 128
Reset counter: 255
Time Indication: 0

01304 - Radio
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 202439 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.02.17
Time: 11:35:30


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J285) Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 920 861 H HW: 6R0 920 861 H
Component: IMMO H04 0014
Serial number:
ASAM Dataset: EV_ImmobUDSJCIPQ25 A01001
ROD: EV_ImmobUDSJCIPQ25.rod
VCID: 3A7A0A74BD5F989684-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V277
Coding: 11220
Shop #: WSC 00788
VCID: 2F6C2B20EA1D4D3E23-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:57)--------------------------


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Re: Retrofit golf mk7 steering wheel on polo mk5

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It's possible that this part is not compatible with steering wheel controls?Image

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That looks to be fine.
You can check with a multimeter whether there is an issue with the pin you see there, number 9. It should have a direct connection to pin number 10 on the 41-pin connector of the steering column combination switch.
Pin number 10 on your photo should have a direct connection to pin number 9 of the 41-pin connector.
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firebulletz wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442 HW: 1K8 959 442
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H04 0103
Serial number: 39170001271300057197
Coding: A40000

Coding: A4FFFF
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iichel wrote:That looks to be fine.
You can check with a multimeter whether there is an issue with the pin you see there, number 9. It should have a direct connection to pin number 10 on the 41-pin connector of the steering column combination switch.
Pin number 10 on your photo should have a direct connection to pin number 9 of the 41-pin connector.
The connection "pin 9 of 41-pins connector and pin 10 of airbag connector" is ok. It is continuous and without interruptions.
I have changed the 1k8 buttons coding in "A4FFFF" an i have tried "B0FFFF" but it not work.
I have checked if the LIN cable signal was interrupted, but it is perfect (pin 16 of left door connector to pin 10 of 41-pins connector).
I have repeated the coding procedure, these buttons don't want to work[emoji21][emoji21]

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1- Remove that radio temporarily... (and all connected wires for it)
2- With VCDS, put A4FFFF coding for 1K8 buttons, go to autoscan and clear all DTCs
3- Turn OFF and ON with ignition key. (one cycle)
3- Do not touch never...never!... the buttons for the trip computer on the lever/stalk. (because your stalks are not the correct ones)
4- Check if the MFSW buttons work. (UP/DOWN and OK, the rest will no work due to your IC)
Also check the volume buttons if you install your old/original radio.
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ciclo wrote:1- Remove that radio temporarily... (and all connected wires for it)
2- With VCDS, put A4FFFF coding for 1K8 buttons, go to autoscan and clear all DTCs
3- Turn OFF and ON with ignition key. (one cycle)
3- Do not touch never...never!... the buttons for the trip computer on the lever/stalk. (because your stalks are not the correct ones)
4- Check if the MFSW buttons work. (UP/DOWN and OK, the rest will no work due to your IC)
Also check the volume buttons if you install your old/original radio.
I have tried:

Removed radio and all cable for it
1k8 buttons coded A4FFFF
Autoscan and cleared all DTCs
Turn off key and turn on without touching anything
I have tried if the buttons work, but it not work

This is autoscan after cleaning DTCs:
Thursday,22,March,2018,11:34:09:00001
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY080849   License Plate:
Mileage: 212180km-131842mi   Repair Order:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY080849   Mileage: 212180km-131842miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYB)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 MA    HW: 03L 907 425 B
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H33 8849 
   Revision: --H33---    Serial number:              
   Coding: 00114016002400080000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023MA 003004
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023LL.rod
   VCID: 71E8ED58A0A91BCE75-8024

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001 
   Revision: --------   
   Coding: 210228E3417500B2842D14E682DA00421100
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   VCID: 071CA380B22D357ECB-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 G    HW: 6R0 820 045 G
   Component: Man AC         02 0101 
   Revision: 0002S 02   
   VCID: 326A22546D2F60D64C-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 K    HW: 6R0 937 087
   Component: BCM PQ25 H+4  H46 0251 
   Revision: BF046001    Serial number: 0434 237113707
   Coding: 3CB02BBF08A10000003808006D0B0CD00080412F60860060200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 45806988CCA1E76EF9-8010

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AB    HW: 6R0 959 801 AB  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  008 1611
   Serial number: KU0KU025081100010210
   Coding: 18BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AD    HW: 6R0 959 802 AD  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  008 1611
   Serial number: KU0KU001091100015461
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442     HW: 1K8 959 442
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H04 0103
   Serial number: 39170001271300057197
   Coding: A4FFFF

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 G    HW: 6R0 959 811 G
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  008 1611
   Serial number: KU0KU017081100014087
   Coding: 08BC32

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 G    HW: 6R0 959 812 G
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  008 1611
   Serial number: KU0KU030081100014426
   Coding: 08BC32

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:. 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag022 H09 0020 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX00UZUX8
   Coding: 003232
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ A01001
   ROD: N/A
   VCID: 4A9A5AB4EDBF081614-801E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 3575HRB40690OCUIB06N

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 3585HRB40690OCUIDPHJ

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 3515RRB405B0M98E4981

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 3525RRB40650MFP6O92Q

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It is possible that the airbag is not compatible? Or that i have to take +12v and LIN signals from other pins?
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