VW T5.1 Caravelle BCM Upgrade and Cruise Control on Steering Wheel...SOLVED

[Limalex]

Hello Guys,
I am posting here beause I heard there are some talented members of this forum whose willing to help us T5 owners.

My goal is to retrofit CCS on MFSW

I attempted to swap my old BCM 7H0 937 087 H 0254 H47 to a 7E0 937 090 D 0762 H82.

I followed the guide I find here and it seamed a really easy upgrade, but encountered some issues during the process. I hope I will be able to get some help and guidance how to solve the issue.

First problem was the Remote adaptation.
When I choose the Adaptation option. I got error on Chanel 01 Not Available massage in VCDS
Also a getting various fault codes. Electric windows not working, indicators not working.
I knew about the instrument lighting issue from previous posts, but was not expecting the rest,

[ciclo]

Hello Limalex,

For the BCM change please read the first steps at the end of this post.
https://www.uk-polos.net/viewtopic.php? ... 30#p573280 (The first thing...)

However I advise you to read the entire thread.

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For the CCS in the MFSW there is a Cruise Control Emulator, it is not OEM.
I have it installed.
All the information here: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58703&start=4725#p564515
Please read the entire page, sometimes the links don't work properly.
To get a CCE you have to speak to Madwarlock.

[Limalex]

Hi ciclo,

Thank you to jump in and the links with the info.

It look like i stuck at the very beginning. I would need dealer remote matching. I do not have a clue how much they would charge but find out tomorrow.

I will come back to this topic when it sorted.

Do I need to remove the two wires from the instrument cluster and the white connector of the BCM or it meant for the Auto light install only?

I glad there is an emulator so do not have to find some one who able to patch my ECU

Graylscot mentioned on the tread you linked running two wires from the instrument cluster to the BCM when he was upgraded to 090 BCM. Where can I found info regarding the wiring needed?

[ciclo]

I explain to you:

To make the change from BCM High 087 to Max 090 (7E0 937 090 D in your case), the first thing you have to do is install new CAN lines for the instrument cluster, disconnecting and isolating individually the two wires from the current CAN lines on the Instrument Cluster connector (which belong to the powertrain and they are still active for other units).

The change from BCM High to Max does not have to be related to wanting to install automatic lights later.

The image is very clear. Install this wiring in this way.

In your white BCM connector the 54, 57 slots are empty at this time, that is, before installing the new CAN lines.

The new CAN lines for the instrument cluster are two twisted cables (the usual ones used in VW group), in this case with MQS terminals (x4) at both ends. You can make them yourself or ask someone to make them for you.


Apart from that, the configuration of the current electrical wiring of your lights with BCM high 087 is not correct to install the BCM Max 090, an adaptation must be made. Adding and isolating some cables.
The main objective is to get most of the lights to be controlled by the BCM, which is not the case with your current electrical configuration.
Once the electrical configuration is correct, a new BCM coding is necessary.

With patience, please read the thread that graylscott opened and you may see a little more light on it. https://www.uk-polos.net/viewtopic.php? ... 36#p528319

[ciclo]

You don't need the VW dealer at all to match your remotes if you have VCDS.
Please reread my first reply here. (link and there the links to ross-tech)

[Limalex]

Ok I understand wiring and there are some good info in the threads you linked, but I still got no solution for the key adaptation.

I do not want to start any wiring until the keys adapted and I can lock/unlock my doors.

VW dealer suggested it is not working because the BCM not for a Caravelle and they wanted me to purchase the same part number but with an M suffix.

I got Factory mode off
Old keys deleted from BCM
I have no KESSY module and adaptation Chanel for the key coding is not available.
I also on Ross tech forum but not much luck overthere regarding this issue

Could it be related to the CAN wires?
I just do not want to start re arrange wiring until i am 100% sure that i will be able to code my keys. Cannot spend £600 for a new BCM

[ciclo]

Hello Limalex.
You can only be 100% sure that you will be able to code your remotes when you have connected the new CAN lines for your instrument cluster.
Do it.

Good luck!
Please tell us the results, thanks.


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Out of context:
Managing individual fears is not my specialty, it's something I've learned after helping to install 'hundreds' of BCM Max for the PQ25 with total success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------John no-fear---
Grimms' Fairy Tales - Kinder- und Hausmärchen

[Limalex]

Thank you Sir.

I gonna put things on motion and report back soon.

I contacted MaDwArLoCk regarding the emulator ( hopefully he will gets my message because my Russian is not exist ) and ordered some wiring for the BCM upgrade
One question regarding the wiring work you done with the CCE. I can see three black connector but only two part numbers.
What is the part number the remaining one?
Do you know the part number the white connector what comes with the CCE by any chance?


Look how fast helped me to overcome my fears. You can add more speciality in your tool box now

[ciclo]

Hi Limalex.



MaDwArLoCk is one of those lucky ones who knows several languages, you are in very good hands.

[Limalex]

You can only be 100% sure that you will be able to code your remotes when you have connected the new CAN lines for your instrument cluster.
Do it.

Hi ciclo,

What I was worried about It happened.

I installed the two CAN lines
Also the two 30A lines from the Ebox to the BCM T73a63 and T73b68

I have not done the rest wiring work because my lights are working.

factory mode off
previous remotes cleared

No fault codes but key adaptation channel still not available
Monday,17,August,2020,14:07:34:36108
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64) HEX-NET CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZCH133237 License Plate: AJ62
Mileage: Repair Order: New BCM

Adaptation Channel 001:
Stored value
ERROR:
Channel 01
Not
Available

Full Scan

Code: Select all

Monday,17,August,2020,14:16:00:36108
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4513.4
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZCH133237   License Plate: AJ62
Mileage: 135540km-84220mi   Repair Order: NewBCMfull scan


Chassis Type: 7H-VN75 (7E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 0D 10 15 17 18 19 25 69 78 0B

VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZCH133237   Mileage: 135540km-84220miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0D-Slide Door, Left -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
78-Slide Door, Right -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CFCA)       Labels:. 03L-906-022-CFC.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 JD    HW: 03L 907 309 H
   Component: R4 v002 EDC   X36 8749  
   Revision: 22X36---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0125401A232400080000
   Shop #: WSC 79883 336 16496
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20BTD01103L906022JD 002011
   ROD: EV_ECM20BTD01103L906022JB.rod
   VCID: 70ACD288AB2E1F06E3-8024

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
   Part No SW: 0BT 300 045 M    HW: 0BH 927 711 C
   Component: DSG DQ500-7F  H05 1795  
   Revision: 00H05V01    
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ500021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ500021_001_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3FCE41B4A6F0B07E2A-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 7E0-907-37x-MK25AXT.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 379 J    HW: 7E0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP MK25A XT  H43 0109  
   Revision: 00H43001    
   Coding: 108764AD09A7089826A49074AA6510
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 49152
   VCID: 393A2FACB0D49E4E14-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 7E5-907-040.clb
   Part No SW: 7E5 907 040 AC    HW: 7E5 907 040 AC
   Component: ClimatronicT5 H19 0407  
   Revision: 00001003    
   Coding: 0004000102
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimatronicT5 A01003
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoT5Basis.rod
   VCID: 699ABFEC88F4EECEA4-803C

   Slave 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7E5 907 049 B    HW: 7E5 907 049 B
   Component: Heckbedienung  H10 0202 
   Serial number: BHB-0012304120015096

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 D    HW: 7E0 937 090 D
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0762  
   Revision: B9082001    Serial number: 8601 312180165
   Coding: A0B279382E612413932888106C2B8EDD0080410F60844000300003000000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 2C1406F84F863BE69F-8078

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 180412 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 02302E

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 B    HW: 7E0 959 801 B  Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V1.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3311 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 010000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 B    HW: 7E0 959 802 B  Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V1.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3311 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7E1 951 171 
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7E1 951 171 
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TK6  H06 0022 
   Serial number: 70000000000000149465
   Coding: E30000

No fault code found.

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Address 0D: Slide Door, Left        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7E0 959 243 D
   Component: Schiebetuer-SG  407 0328  
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 302C1288A3AE5F06A3-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 E    HW: 7E0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H11 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 47461208500166
   Coding: 108102
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K A01005
   ROD: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K_A01_VN75.rod
   VCID: 34241E989FB66326C7-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 C    HW: 7E0 959 655 C
   Component: VW10Airbag00P H07 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003HM002866L
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003050
   Shop #: WSC 02754 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750 A01026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750.rod
   VCID: 3620249089CA7136F9-8062

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3495ZRB405B0P7HOEHCF

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3505ZRB40510P7AOGGM1

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 7E0 920 980 E    HW: 7E0 920 980 E
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0306  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 460F01
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2D120BFC7C9C32EE88-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: None
   Part No: 7E0 815 071 B
   Component: J737__Standheizung  0605  
   Revision: 00085000    Serial number: 09019275F00000
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
   VCID: 2404EED8E756F3A657-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 090 D
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0762  
   Revision: B9082001    
   Coding: 042300
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 689CBAE89BFED7C6BB-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0306  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW31.rod
   VCID: 6A98C0E08DF2E5D6AD-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 H    HW: 1K0 907 383 G
   Component: Anhaenger     H12 0130  
   Revision: 3B001001    Serial number: 00000509112665
   Coding: 0100000101000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 322818806DA26D16D5-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 78: Slide Door, Right        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7E0 959 243 D
   Component: Schiebetuer-SG  407 0328  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 302C1288A3AE5F06A3-8064

No fault code found.

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[ciclo]

Hello Limalex,

Do this:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

Host the resulting log/file in somewhere/web. Get a link to share.
Please post the link here so that I can download it. Thank you.


It is the first time I have seen this happen, maybe the previous owner played where he should not.

[Limalex]

Well that is my luck

Thank you to get back to me so fast

here is the link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wBtrIi ... sp=sharing

[ciclo]

Well this BCM has some weird and unknown parameters to me.

Please tell me a little about the history of this BCM 7E0 ... 090D, such as place of purchase, donor car, etc ... any information is essential ...

There is a solution, do you have ODIS-E or VCP? or someone close and friend who has them.

[Limalex]

Well this BCM has some weird and unknown parameters to me.

Is this possible?

Please tell me a little about the history of this BCM 7E0 ... 090D, such as place of purchase, donor car, etc ... any information is essential ...

It was an ebay purchase i assume from a scrapyard. BCM taken from a 2019 2.0l 102 BHP Transporter

There is a solution, do you have ODIS-E or VCP? or someone close and friend who has them.

Nope, nether and dealer not willing to do any work for me on a second hand BCM either.

I will try ask around on other forums. I might find some one near London who willing to cooperate.

Could you please explain the problem?

Can i put the old BCM back with the new can line installed? do not care about fault codes, but I wish to lock the car.

[ciclo]

Hello Limalex.
Thanks for the info.
I fully understand your situation, the number one priority is to be able to lock the car over any other circumstance.

The problem is clearly visible, channel number 1 cannot be accessed, that is, it is not available (i mean easily, as usual).

Because this BCM is the last model that was installed in the VW T6 (PQ25) and before updating the firmware of your BCM (free for people who are from London ) we will try the following:

1- Before going to/enter in BCM adaptations you will introduce a Security Access (SA).

2- Try the following in this order:
30724
84244
31347

Note: every time you try one of these SAs you must close communication with the BCM and re-establish communication, that is, go back to the main page of the VCDS program and return to the BCM to test the next security access.
Sometimes it is necessary to wait a certain time between new SAs attempts, ... 30 sec is enough.

3- Once the SA is accepted, you must go to/enter the adaptation channels and check if channel number 1 is available.

4- Matching your remotes in such case (ross-tech process).

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If for some reason you are forced to install the old BCM 087 for driving, you need to reconnect the old CAN lines to the instrument cluster and isolate the new ones.
If you are not going to drive I think it is not necessary to reconnect the old CAN lines, I am honestly not sure about this specific point.
It's easy, just try it to see what happens.

Please keep us informed of your tests. Thanks!