Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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Andy Beats
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Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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Getting close to my ideal spec now.

Armrest done.
Headlights upgraded to white bulbs.
Window tints done.

I really want cruise though, anyone any idea as to the cost of retrofitting it?
To be clear I DO NOT WANT ACC, I really do not like that one little bit.
Ordinary cruise is what I want.
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Re: Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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Hello!

If you wish to go through a dealer, you cannot.

I refused my first beats due to the dealer ensuring me it came with Cruise, a short journey home proved to me it did not!
After a lengthy few months of discussions they finally admitted they cannot get one fitted and it was the salesperson mistake, and will supply another vehicle FoC. I won't go on about the issues with that particular car, that's another story.

Mine was a beats. The cruise control / Speed lim function moves from the stalk to the LH of the steering wheel.

Kufatec can supply a retrofit kit, you'd need to confirm with them and likely check some numbers in your car yourself to get the correct kit. You would however still need to fit yourself, or find someone to do it for you. In addition it would need to be coded in, using something like OBDEleven or VCDS.

I can't quite remember the name but there is specific places which specialise is VAG coding and adaptions. I'm sure a google will bring nearby ones up for you. A place such as that would be able to code in and possibly fit the kit for you, obviously for a charge.

With the price of the kit and getting someone to fit / code it, it soon builds up to a hefty price mind. Me personally I have not had anything coded in, because well - I haven't added anything. So have no idea price wise would you'd be looking at. However the link below is the kit you'd need. As said above, there is various different numbers you may need to check so best buzzing an email over to them to double check what specific variant you'd need.

Link for retrofit: https://www.kufatec.com/en/volkswagen/v ... er=44524-1
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Re: Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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I wonder if I'd get away with a stalk change only, I'm not bothered about the steering wheel controls.
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Re: Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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Andy Beats wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:21 pm I wonder if I'd get away with a stalk change only, I'm not bothered about the steering wheel controls.
Does normal cruise all get controlled from the stalk and only ACC cruise needs steering wheel buttons?

My 2019 A4 has normal cruise and everything is done from the stalk.
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I believe- and could well be wrong- that from the factory there are several different possibilities for cars with the MQB electrics.

VWs, Skodas, Seats with a speed limiter only have just the buttons on the indicator stalk (like most of the Polos)
VWs, Skodas, Seats with cruise (+/- speed limiter) and NO MFSW always have it on the stalk. (like a Polo S with cruise added)
VWs with cruise (ACC or regular cruise) and a factory MFSW have buttons on the steering wheel (like a GTI +, or an SE and above with factory cruise)
Seats and Skodas with standard cruise have buttons on the stalk for the most part *
Seats and Skodas with ACC have a 3rd stalk.
Audis always have the 3rd stalk- either with speed limiter, cruise, or ACC.

So what does this mean for Andy? I'm pretty sure that you could retrofit either the buttons to the wheel or a new indicator stalk, and then just code it. There are various places that do VAG retrofits, who should be able to do this for you. I know Skoda offer a kit, it seems bizarre that VW don't.

*Certain cars with lane assist but no ACC have the 3rd stalk for cruise, because they have a button on the end of the indicator stalk for the assist systems menu. However I can't work out the logic behind this- the Octavia VRS got standard lane assist but no ACC, and just has the cruise on the indicator stalk, but I've rented a facelift Leon in Spain with lane assist but no ACC and that had the 3rd stalk. Don't know if that's a model year thing or what. Skodas got an assist button on the wheel at some point- my old 2016 Fabia had one, as does my parents '17 Rapid, although in the Rapid it does nothing because there aren't any assist systems fitted!
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vc-10 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:37 pm I believe- and could well be wrong- that from the factory there are several different possibilities for cars with the MQB electrics.

VWs, Skodas, Seats with a speed limiter only have just the buttons on the indicator stalk (like most of the Polos)
VWs, Skodas, Seats with cruise (+/- speed limiter) and NO MFSW always have it on the stalk. (like a Polo S with cruise added)
VWs with cruise (ACC or regular cruise) and a factory MFSW have buttons on the steering wheel (like a GTI +, or an SE and above with factory cruise)
Seats and Skodas with standard cruise have buttons on the stalk for the most part *
Seats and Skodas with ACC have a 3rd stalk.
Audis always have the 3rd stalk- either with speed limiter, cruise, or ACC.

So what does this mean for Andy? I'm pretty sure that you could retrofit either the buttons to the wheel or a new indicator stalk, and then just code it. There are various places that do VAG retrofits, who should be able to do this for you. I know Skoda offer a kit, it seems bizarre that VW don't.

*Certain cars with lane assist but no ACC have the 3rd stalk for cruise, because they have a button on the end of the indicator stalk for the assist systems menu. However I can't work out the logic behind this- the Octavia VRS got standard lane assist but no ACC, and just has the cruise on the indicator stalk, but I've rented a facelift Leon in Spain with lane assist but no ACC and that had the 3rd stalk. Don't know if that's a model year thing or what. Skodas got an assist button on the wheel at some point- my old 2016 Fabia had one, as does my parents '17 Rapid, although in the Rapid it does nothing because there aren't any assist systems fitted!
Cheers for the very comprehensive explanation. 8)
Steering wheel controls for cruise, I will happily live without - I'll investigate the stalk only option.
As an aside, did you know that if MFSW controls for cruise are fitted, there is no law to say they must light up?
Our Renault Captur MFSW controls for cruise didn't light up, it led to using the cruise control at night being a test of memory. :!: :shock:
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I don't think there's any law about cruise buttons. My old 2007 Focus had cruise and there were no lights in the buttons.
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vc-10 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:14 pm I don't think there's any law about cruise buttons. My old 2007 Focus had cruise and there were no lights in the buttons.
I know, that's what I said.
Which is quite astounding, really.
On a dark drive, it's conceivable someone could accidentally hit 'resume' on the MFSW and find the car accelerating unexpectedly.
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Adam_013 wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:15 pm Hello!

If you wish to go through a dealer, you cannot.

I refused my first beats due to the dealer ensuring me it came with Cruise, a short journey home proved to me it did not!
After a lengthy few months of discussions they finally admitted they cannot get one fitted and it was the salesperson mistake, and will supply another vehicle FoC. I won't go on about the issues with that particular car, that's another story.

Mine was a beats. The cruise control / Speed lim function moves from the stalk to the LH of the steering wheel.

Kufatec can supply a retrofit kit, you'd need to confirm with them and likely check some numbers in your car yourself to get the correct kit. You would however still need to fit yourself, or find someone to do it for you. In addition it would need to be coded in, using something like OBDEleven or VCDS.

I can't quite remember the name but there is specific places which specialise is VAG coding and adaptions. I'm sure a google will bring nearby ones up for you. A place such as that would be able to code in and possibly fit the kit for you, obviously for a charge.

With the price of the kit and getting someone to fit / code it, it soon builds up to a hefty price mind. Me personally I have not had anything coded in, because well - I haven't added anything. So have no idea price wise would you'd be looking at. However the link below is the kit you'd need. As said above, there is various different numbers you may need to check so best buzzing an email over to them to double check what specific variant you'd need.

Link for retrofit: https://www.kufatec.com/en/volkswagen/v ... er=44524-1
Hi Adam!

Do you think that only with VCDS I can activate by myself?

I was reading some forums and I understood that Cruise Control was what they call "swap" (software as a service), so I would have to pay for the dealership to enable it in my ECU


seizing the opportunity, anyone knows how to wire?
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Steering wheel > BCM > ECU?
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Re: Retrofit cruise (NOT ACC)

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I should really check here more often!

The buttons on the MFSW do light up yes, I don’t see no reason why you wouldn’t be able to fit a stalk and use that. Plus you’ll keep the mute button on the steering wheel, which I missed dearly when I got cruise 😂

And yeah VCDS will be able to code, relying on correct modules being installed on your car to begin with.

I have no idea or experience with it, it’s just what I’ve picked up on various forums and from a friend on mine coding his in on a passat.
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