Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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Re: Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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broberty wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:24 am As someone who works at Nissan, they are not the most reliable, but definitely not the worst. They fall well behind in terms of technology though.
Hmmm, maybe depends on the car.
For example, the Leaf is still one of very few electric cars with an app that allows 'on demand' pre-heating or cooling of the car.
Something I miss desperately right now.
Most other electric cars, even ones just coming onto the market, only allow you to set a timer within the car, which is far less flexible than the app.
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Re: Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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Leif wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:03 am
Andy Beats wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:48 am
Leif wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:13 am As for a 'weak clutch', either your car is faulty or (assuming a manual clutch) you need to learn clutch control.
Wasn't me who started this thread, so evidently not just me.
It's the ridiculous gearing VW have thrown at the car.
Whether the clutch is actually weak, only time will tell, but it 'feels' weak and the high gearing leads to it being abused.
Imagine having to pull away in second gear all the time, that's what it's like.
Mine has the same gearing and I have no issues. Then again my last two cars did 130,000 and 160,000 miles on the original clutch before being scrapped/sold. That said, cars do have faults. Lots of people had issues with the VW Up gear box, which was modified by VW after a couple of years.
Do you have many hill starts or a steep driveway? It might make all the difference to someone that does that daily. For those Polos with a 5 speed box in the lower output Polos, that's going to exacerbate things further - 1st in a 5 speed is almost certainly going to be taller than 1st in a 6 speed. There's also every chance that the lower output 1.0TSIs have a weaker clutch because VW decided less output requires a weaker clutch to cope with in-gear power/torque, but really doesn't help on the slopes. Pull away in 2nd on a pre-WLTP ready Polo every time, and your clutch won't last long.

VW have been putting in weak "just enough" clutches on the performance petrol Golf's for a while now. Pretty much everyone on the Golf GTI forum who's mapped their Golf GTI or R has cooked their clutch quite quickly - not much over-engineering there - likely to have filtered down the ranges. Same cars with DSG seem to be able to cope with the extra output (although DSG torque limiter may just rein the output in rather than cope with it,)
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Re: Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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monkeyhanger wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:38 pm
Leif wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:03 am
Andy Beats wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:48 am

Wasn't me who started this thread, so evidently not just me.
It's the ridiculous gearing VW have thrown at the car.
Whether the clutch is actually weak, only time will tell, but it 'feels' weak and the high gearing leads to it being abused.
Imagine having to pull away in second gear all the time, that's what it's like.
Mine has the same gearing and I have no issues. Then again my last two cars did 130,000 and 160,000 miles on the original clutch before being scrapped/sold. That said, cars do have faults. Lots of people had issues with the VW Up gear box, which was modified by VW after a couple of years.
Do you have many hill starts or a steep driveway? It might make all the difference to someone that does that daily. For those Polos with a 5 speed box in the lower output Polos, that's going to exacerbate things further - 1st in a 5 speed is almost certainly going to be taller than 1st in a 6 speed. There's also every chance that the lower output 1.0TSIs have a weaker clutch because VW decided less output requires a weaker clutch to cope with in-gear power/torque, but really doesn't help on the slopes. Pull away in 2nd on a pre-WLTP ready Polo every time, and your clutch won't last long.

VW have been putting in weak "just enough" clutches on the performance petrol Golf's for a while now. Pretty much everyone on the Golf GTI forum who's mapped their Golf GTI or R has cooked their clutch quite quickly - not much over-engineering there - likely to have filtered down the ranges. Same cars with DSG seem to be able to cope with the extra output (although DSG torque limiter may just rein the output in rather than cope with it,)
I do have a steep drive way (and a dented garage door, presumably done by the previous owner of my house :shock: ) and I often have to stop on a very steep ramp at the local Waitrose, while someone walks across the end of the ramp oblivious to cars. I never pull away in second, far too high a gear, first all the time. Same with my VW Up as well though second was lower.
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Re: Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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I think you missed my point there. Not suggesting anyone does or should pull away in second. These tall geared WLTP compliant cars have a tall first gear. I'd expect that 1st gear on a 5 speed box variant will be taller than 1st in a 6 speed box variant.

Given lower output and higher first gear for those models with a 5 speed box, and possibly in conjunction with a weaker clutch (speculation - may not be right), pulling away in 1st might be like pulling a pre-WLTP CAR in second (similar ratio between new tall 1st gear and old low gearing second).

The 65/80/95ps variants have 5 speed manuals, the 115ps has 6 speed, so the 115 is probably less affected, having more power and a (highly likely) lower 1st gear.

Which Polo type do you have Leif?
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Re: Difficult to start on hill without burning clutch

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I have a Polo 95 PS SE. I have assumed perhaps wrongly a 6 speed box would have a lower or similarly geared first.
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