Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)

[KamilPL]

1400a1 for both?

left side
I did not have time to change and it is the old 6R0959801AK Encoding 020000 ---> tomorrow I will change to 6R0959801CG encoding 0200A3

right side

6R0959802CL 1000A3 coding

Old engines
6R0959801AK, 6R0959802AR

New motors
6R0959801CG, 6R0959802CL

[KamilPL]

Found on the Polo 6R / 6C forum

What are the differences between the encodings?

[ciclo]

[KamilPL]

The second motor changed (6R0959801CG) the mirrors close from the remote control, but the problem with the windows persisted

Window switch up - windows down

Window switch down - windows up

closing the car with the remote control, the windows open, the mirrors close

when opening the car with the remote control, the windows close, the mirrors open

Cyclo you have Schematics ele. polo 6C 2015/2016 to compare Polo / Ibiza motor wiring / window switch?

Standard Ibiza / Polo diagrams

However, in order for the mirrors to close from the remote control / joystick, I had to change the T16i / 15 <--> T16i / 14, 16i / 14 <--> T16 / 15.

[KamilPL]

The mirrors now close and open with the remote control / joystick

What to change in the window wiring?

[ciclo]

You must learn how to code with the info that I have shown you in the previous message.

[KamilPL]

You must learn how to code with the info that I have shown you in the previous message.

UPDATE!

After changing the coding, windows and mirrors work properly

[ciclo]

Congratulations!

In this forum, it is allowed to share info, in case you forgot the word 'share'. That which makes us great apes and takes us a little further from being pro apes.

[KamilPL]

sorry to give you an answer so late.
The solution was to rewrite the left door coding to right and right to left

Next thing ....
I bought an MFSW from a Leon 5F.
want to do MFSW in my ibiz 6j PQ25.
How to encode Pilot 4B, correctly connect and encode MFSW so that everything works properly?

[ciclo]

In response to your private message:

There are various models of MFSW depending on the equipment of the vehicle, please show us the new steering wheel you have purchased (MQB) and your current steering wheel (PQ25).
Depending on this we can find out to what extent it will be possible for everything to work properly.

[KamilPL]

Mfsw

[ciclo]

Well, I don't have any kind of experience with that 4B module (I think remember iichel did some testing with this module on his vw cars).
I guess you should unmount it and remove it from the GW install list to avoid conflicts with the new buttons of the new MFSW.

I'm also assuming you need to provide a new power supply (+15) and a new communication/wire LIN (doors LIN, T73b/17) to the new buttons, also the ground/earth obviously. This process is explained here in the forum for VW POLO 6R (BCM PQ25).

Once this is done, the BCM will recognize the new multifunction buttons as a subsystem (J453, MFL), which must be coded according to equipment (post an autoscan).

From (4B E440, CAN lines)...


To (J453, LIN) ...




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6R

[goolby]

sorry to give you an answer so late.
The solution was to rewrite the left door coding to right and right to left

Next thing ....
I bought an MFSW from a Leon 5F.
want to do MFSW in my ibiz 6j PQ25.
How to encode Pilot 4B, correctly connect and encode MFSW so that everything works properly?

Hi, worth a shot to ask even if it's an old thread, did you managed to make it work? I'm thinking to do the same. Thanks!

What I'm not clear on is if the trip computer will work from the wheel right MFSW because in stock it's connected directly with 3 wires from the right stalk to the Instrument Cluster...

[ciclo]

I'll summarize it for you:
You cannot have the trip computer buttons in both places at the same time -MFSW and Right Stalk-, generates electronic bugs and consequently blocking the buttons for the trip computer in the MFSW.

As you say, from the right stalk there are three communication wires with the IC ('direct' communication), however with the MFSW the communication for the trip computer (and the other buttons) is through a LIN wire that communicates first with the BCM->GW, and these are responsible for sending the communication signals for the trip computer to the IC through the original CAN lines (powertrain or extended -depending on the equipment level-, which is not to be taken into account for this).

Therefore, if you install an MFSW correctly (with the communication LIN wire) the right stalk should not have the trip computer buttons (or at least not have the three wires connected to the IC).

Obviously, the new MFSW must be compatible with PQ25 (for SEAT I don't know which ones are compatible)...

[goolby]

Thanks for the reply, as far as I know Ibiza only started to offer MFSW from 2016 and by then I think that's MQB platform but I found one post on another place that states:

Hi,
if someone is interrested about MFSW for Ibiza 6J, I have tried new style steering wheel and its working fine in Ibiza 6J PQ25 platform with factory installed BCM 6R0937087H. Buttons backlight is working too.

You need to

1. replace only theese parts:

5f0880201J AAP / 6f0880201J AAP - airbag and mf buttons cable (orange)
7n5419091D - steering wheel

2. add two wires to steering wheel coil for 12V and LIN BUS

3. connect 12V cable to 12V from ignition switch [EASY]
and LIN-BUS cable to BCM [HARD JOB because there is little space arund the BCM under steering wheel]

4. remove original multi function module otherwise radio is possible to control only via multifunction module.

5. VCDS coding to enable MFSW

There are too much installation manuals for POLO 6R which have similar bcm and mf coil so it isnt needed write wirring installation manual in this thread.

7n5419091D is Alhambra 2016>>2013 and for Ibiza would be 5F0419091(x) so I think that the Ibiza one will also work.

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I have an Ibiza ST 6J8 2011 Ecomotive with Start/Stop and 6R0937088D BCM (higher than 6R0937087H from the post).

So... assuming that an Ibiza/ Leon/ Alhambra 2016>> steering wheel will work... I'll have to replace the right stalk with one without trip buttons (I have the original one because I myself retrofitted the trip computer after I bought the car) and also remove the Ibiza default MFSW stalk from the left side under the steering wheel and also remove it from the CAN Gateway Installation list so it will not conflict with the new wheel. Run the Lin wire to the BCM and +12v for the backlight in the wheel.

Will see if I can source a wheel and airbag and wire at a acceptable price in case this will not work...

A bit old but still relevant auto scan of my car:

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Chassis Type: 6J-SE25 (6R0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 4B 56 61 69 77

VIN: VSSZZZ6JZBR098475   Mileage: 206050km-128033miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J0000-CFWA)       Labels:. 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
   Part No SW: 03P 906 021 AA    HW: 03P 906 021 AA
   Component: R3 1.2 DCM3.7 H04 9521  
   Revision: 12004001    Serial number:                CVN: 876D4221
   Coding: 00114014032401080000
   Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA 001013
   ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA.rod
   VCID: 67DD0E9B9E6DDDB76E-8032
   VINID: 9A38EAAAA19AA92880248107148D1F4F25

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 110224DB817600BA882924E981D600521300
   Shop #: WSC 04941 000 00000
   VCID: 071D2E1BB22D3DB78E-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 6J0-820-045.clb
   Part No SW: 6J0 820 045 A    HW: 6J0 820 045 A
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0320  
   Revision: 00 25 08    Serial number: 0000001205168-
   Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
   VCID: 24475997E7DBF6AF8B-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 088 D    HW: 6R0 937 088 
   Component: BCM PQ25 Re4  H46 0322  
   Revision: BU046001    Serial number: 0379 308100897
   Coding: 3C880BE888210000002001F03F4B9C80CF80620F7E000449200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
   VCID: 3F8DF6FBAE7DB577F6-806A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 M    HW: 6R0 959 801 M  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3110 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 420000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 P    HW: 6R0 959 802 P  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3110 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 420000

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10AirbagA09 H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX00B6GBA
   Coding: 003039
   Shop #: WSC 06401 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4A9BD72FEDBF00DF51-801E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3495RRB405T053R46OF-

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor: 
   Serial number: 3505RRB405T053R4C162

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6J0 920 802 J    HW: 6J0 920 802 J
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0404  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110A00
   Shop #: WSC 99999 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK46.rod
   VCID: 2F6DA6BB761D45F766-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6R0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 530 C    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway H38 0025  
   Revision:   H38       Serial number: 241010F1000096
   Coding: 2532C2
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3365AACB9235611702-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0404  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADB77AF8D7FE0DF71-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 6J0 035 342 D    HW: 6J0 035 342 D
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0150  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7669377224    
   Coding: 020000
   Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
   VCID: 254144932CE10FA79C-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11231
   Shop #: WSC 06402  
   VCID: 2F6DA6BBEA1D45F766-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module        Labels: 6J0-959-441.clb
   Part No: 6J0 959 441 A
   Component: MF-Modul       0007 0001  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 77005 000 00000
   VCID: 3169A0C3A829530770-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 6J0-035-153.clb
   Part No SW: 6J0 035 153 B    HW: 6J0 035 153 B
   Component: Radio G3 UL   H56 0034  
   Revision: 0H001001    Serial number: SEZ1Z2I6324940
   Coding: 0004040002
   Shop #: WSC 04941 123 12345
   VCID: 23455A8B22D5F197F2-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Batt.regelung H38 0025  
   Serial number: 241010F1000096
   Coding: 0303185A
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 74E769D7D7BB262FDB-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 915 181 B    HW: 6R0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0150 
   Serial number: 00000000009370264002

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H12 0100  
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000375465635
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 306FA5C763235A0F7F-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 E    HW: 5K0 035 730 E
   Component: TELEFON       H09 2902  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007666439460
   Coding: 0200000001010110
   Shop #: WSC 48178 001 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 275D4E9B5EED1DB7AE-8072

No fault code found.


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