How to identify gearbox

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Re: How to identify gearbox

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2226 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:48 am Green marker probably just anti-tamper markings.

I'm sure they'll check the lever, just ask them to confirm. They have to deal with it anyway when refitting the linkages. Doubt it'll make a difference though.

Who is fitting the gearbox?
If it was a trusted knowledgable mechanic I would have them check and maybe refresh the rear main seal since the gearbox is out anyway.
Just thought on other gearboxes on eBay none have markers on there so made me think it might be a rebuild, or the breakers marking.

Most garages I find can't even do simple things, hard to find a trusted mechanic who can check the lever and rear main/crankshaft seal. Too bad my bank account probably can't fund the seal. Only been working 2 months lol so still in the process of saving :shock:

But it has to be very local mechanic as my car won't drive at all :cry: and I usually take my car 40 minutes away to a VW specialist I do trust.

Just going to phone up a few '3rd party certified' garages today and ask them.
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Re: How to identify gearbox

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Totally understand. Don't worry about the main seal then. I'm just thinking out loud.
If there's no leaking then no worries. My mk1's main seal only really quit at almost 200,000km.
It's kinda just a thing I think of checking/doing since it's accessible.

I pretty much have the same story here with mechanics. Many specialist shops, but often not what you expect. When you find a good mechanic you find a mechanic for life. Was very sad when my local mechanic closed up shop some years ago. Powered out of business by large VW workshops opening in the area. I never trust a workshop with a clean floor. :D

I hear you on the cost. Trust me, I'm battling that too even after 30+ years of work. Very difficult to save with the way the world is right now.
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Re: How to identify gearbox

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Well it's going in tomorrow for a gearbox & clutch, and I hope that fixes it!

Had to find any local garage, to do it as nobody wanted to touch it so yeah. Never used them but if it breaks I guess I can hold them liable, lol.

Crazy thing is, I can get it into reverse but it only moves with a very high clutch point and it clunks very badly. Makes me wonder if it even is the gearbox at this point. Can get it to move forward too, just about.

Honestly should of checked if the driveshaft is gone or something but I guess il leave it to the mechanics tomorrow
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Re: How to identify gearbox

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Let the garage check.
Maybe the clutch fork is busted.
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2226 wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:12 am Let the garage check.
Maybe the clutch fork is busted.
They didn't tell me anything, just fitted the new clutch kit and the gearbox and was like ok the car drives.

Never going back there but atleast it's done.

It's a bit stuff getting into certain gears, so not sure if the oil is the problem (some Mannol branded oil I bought), or the synchros. I don't think it's possible to fit a clutch & gearbox wrong, right?😂
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Re: How to identify gearbox

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I think you'd hear syncros.
Maybe shift cables need adjusting.

Very often I have issues with 3rd and 4th gear.
And there have been many times when downshifting from 5/6 to 3/4 where I can't find the gear.
This happens when I'm driving hard though. Just can't find the gear. I believe this is related to worn or too soft bushings and mounts though. Too much movement happening.
Entering corner at speed then try and quick shift it down to 3rd and there's nothing, can't find 3rd. Can't tell where the "gate" is.

These days the occassional upshift from 2 to 3 will feel like it engages gear late. As in not fully engaged as I release the clutch. Again, might be mountings. Or might be stretched cables or just need a re-adjustment.
Just the joys of cable shifts.

I am not a fan of cable shifts. They exist to make packaging and manufacturing easier and faster.

I'll take rod linkages any day. In my mk1 with the 020 gearbox (the "inside out gearbox" :D) with all the bushings blown out and the rod off my a spline or 2, the shifting is still much better than these vague cable shifts. Actually, with the rubber bushing on the main bracket destroyed it shifts like one of the gated Ferrari shifts. :mrgreen: Good fun.

EDIT: Oh, forgot... maybe it's because my sister, the automatic driving American, decided to pull the car into my garage and couldn't figure out where the gears were and went full tilt up the driveway starting at 3rd and stank the entire house out for several hours with the smell of burning clutch. Yeah, might be that. :roll:
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2226 wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:56 pm I think you'd hear syncros.
Maybe shift cables need adjusting.
Very often I have issues with 3rd and 4th gear.
And there have been many times when downshifting from 5/6 to 3/4 where I can't find the gear.
This happens when I'm driving hard though. Just can't find the gear. I believe this is related to worn or too soft bushings and mounts though.
Can't tell where the "gate" is.
Well won't always hear syncros if I'm correct but yeah so far I've heard no grinding, just I can feel it hit a gate but not fully engage or sometimes I can't do it at all, however it might do it correct after releasing and pressing the clutch, therefore it is intermittent in every gear.. Which mounts / bushings are you talking about? Are they inside the gearbox?
2226 wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:56 pm maybe it's because my sister, the automatic driving American, decided to pull the car into my garage and couldn't figure out where the gears were and went full tilt up the driveway starting at 3rd and stank the entire house out for several hours with the smell of burning clutch. Yeah, might be that. :roll:
lol you just want to blame someone else but yourself :wink:
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Re: How to identify gearbox

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JiSingh1 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:11 pm Well won't always hear syncros if I'm correct but yeah so far I've heard no grinding, just I can feel it hit a gate but not fully engage or sometimes I can't do it at all, however it might do it correct after releasing and pressing the clutch, therefore it is intermittent in every gear.. Which mounts / bushings are you talking about? Are they inside the gearbox?
The gearbox mount on the battery side and the dogbone mount at the rear of the gearbox.

I also have this similar issue. Sometimes have to double clutch, but that's just when at rest or initial engagement from standing. So yeah might be syncros yet mine has been this way since I got it at 20,000km; but might be linkages too. Easier to start with linkage reset. There's a procedure for that in the manuals. I'll just have to find it when I have a moment.
JiSingh1 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:11 pm lol you just want to blame someone else but yourself :wink:
Absolutely! :D But you should have been here to experience the smell of burnt clutch.

The only time I needed to replace a clutch was in my mk1. It got to 170,000km on the original clutch and the only reason was because of oil contamination from leaking main seal. The clutch actually had tons of material left on it. I don't murder clutches.
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2226 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:34 am The gearbox mount on the battery side and the dogbone mount at the rear of the gearbox.

I also have this similar issue. Sometimes have to double clutch, but that's just when at rest or initial engagement from standing. So yeah might be syncros yet mine has been this way since I got it at 20,000km; but might be linkages too. Easier to start with linkage reset. There's a procedure for that in the manuals. I'll just have to find it when I have a moment.
Ah, fair enough, hopefully it is not the mounts or anything - I guess it is the bearings in the gearbox or something. But mine seem to stick in the first 4 gears, which seems like a lot, still no grinding though, just seems to stick when going into a gear and needs more pressure or something, I don't get it.

Not sure what to do...
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