Speed Camera's

[morganvw1]

Hi all,

With the growing amount of mobile camera' popping up in our regions, along with unmarked police cars, getting caught myself by a hand held lately (getting 4 points and £435 fine for doing 41 in a 30 mph zone) I thought it would be good to help share if you know of any new GATSO's or of any regular spots where mobile cameras tend to focus on.

I am not promoting speeding, but we all creep over the limit every now and again.

If you do know of any where, nip across to our forum and let’s build a good data base of where things are to help ourselves out. There is a link on the main website www.elite1000.co.uk which will take you to our forum, or if you are all ready registered, log as and when you find.

Drive safely in the New Year and here is looking forward to a good show season.

Scott.

[tainmrk3polo]

howdy scott!

[wul3er]

Blimey thats a Big fine for that speed is not.

[Tahrey1043]

thats exactly the problem, you creep over whilst paying more attention to the road than the instruments, not doing an unsafe speed (otherwise you'd unconciuosly ease off), and bang ---- they now have from you what amounts to two weeks of my wages (goddamn!), 4 points off your license, and have jacked up your insurance too most likely. All for travelling in a manner that a very high proportion of city drivers do on a daily basis - basing their speed of travel more on the continually changing environment around them, using their finely honed judgement (yes, i said it ) and keeping inside a fairly safe zone, rather than an arbitarily set limit, that oh-so-conveniently adds up to one mile every two minutes.
That sh** is not on and i really want to know who in the corridors of power responsible for this type of Enforcement (thats all it is, not protection yadda yadda* - they can set the limit to whatever they want and fine you for breaking it regardless of whether it's set with any kind of sense) thinks it is as they need their minds tested.

Whilst cnuts who drive unlicensed/taxed/insured and dangerously/significantly over the limit can quite easily get off however, especially with automated cameras, or mobiles that dont have a suitable pursuit vehicle immediately available.

I think you may as well just take your numberplates off as the penalty is probably smaller!

/yet_another_soapbox



fraid i cant help answering your original question however.


*except for west mids police whose policy on the matter and list of sites is free to read on their web pages. apparently they only put cameras up at particular accident / fatality trouble spots, and then only as a "last resort" kind of measure, always signposted, bright yellow, and out in the open - and so far as i can tell, gatso only. actually makes this area a nice one to drive around as there's very few speed traps, and you can *sort* of see why they're there, even if the exact positioning and choice of limit causes the odd head-scratch. shock horror, a police page that nearly tells the whole truth (as opposed to e.g. north wales - "arrive alive!" my arse, its pure money raking)

PS i'll get stick for this, but pedestrians really need to be taught to respect roads and traffic a little more, might be less fatalities from folk not looking and stepping right out into the middle of a busy 40mph road... causing (non-driving, or poorly driving) road safety campaigners to get on high horses about crossings, speed bumps, 20mph limits and SPECS.

£400+ for 41 in a 30? good god. you can get less than that for holding up an offlicence with an air pistol these days.

[CalvinGTI]

Hi all,

With the growing amount of mobile camera' popping up in our regions, along with unmarked police cars, getting caught myself by a hand held lately (getting 4 points and £435 fine for doing 41 in a 30 mph zone) I thought it would be good to help share if you know of any new GATSO's or of any regular spots where mobile cameras tend to focus on.

What the hell !!!!

£435 fine for doing 11mph over the speed limit??????

thats like the sickest fine ive ever heard even my fine when i got banned was only £300 !!!!

I feel for you mate !!

Calâ„¢

[david burton]

maybe that's a typo - the £ sign is shift-3 after all....

[13twelve]

as i keep trying to explain to my boss and his girlfriend (who to a certain extent want to be eco friendly sorts, despite often relying on their old car for lots of things) theres a big difference between driving over the speed limmit and speeding.

99% of us drive over the speed limmit and do so without incident

some people speed, as in drive way too fast - some of these smash up

excessive speed people should be the ones targetted, not everyone else

it criminalises the general public, turns them against the police and in general it doesnt stop those who are the most crap drivers.

speed cameras et al, statistally snap mid 30s/40s male execuatives

not 17 y/o runts who think they're colin mcrae




this is of course a pointless rant, we're easy pray and thats not going to change

[Polo-03]

Its all very well coming out and saying they need to target the people who speed every day! or the neds who drive about carlessly on the road but how can the police do this???
The police target general public who speed thats the end of the matter!
Why should an OAP who speeds once aweek going to the supermarket get away with it.
The fact is if you speed and get caught I have no sympathy for you.

Think about being on the other side.
When you see somebody speed by what do you think?
I always think what an ar5ehole! Nobody likes it.
I'm not wanting to start a war here and yes I do excided the speed limit like anyone else.

Nobody sits at 30 in a 30.
The police give you a 10% limit so that means they can book you for 33mph but who has ever been done for this?
Its rules that public need to stand by.
Its like why do people buy radar detectors? Only because they want to speed and get away with it!
I could go on forever and I'm sure this will create abit of a response but hey

[Si_GTi]

Nobody sits at 30 in a 30.

I do. 30 30 30 all the way. I'm not risking a ticket, no chance - I'll not get anywhere faster at 36 or 40 than I will at 30 around town. And if someone screams up behind me at 40 in a 30, I drop to 25. That'll learn 'em. In urban areas I always stick to the 30/40/50 limits if I can - sometimes my speed will creep up as you can't have an eye on your speedo every second, but if I do drift up to 33/34 or so its soon rectified.

Out on the A roads and B roads of our fine nation however, I drive at whatever speed I feel is comfortable - usually around 65-70, which, certainly in my eyes, is quite acceptable. If I were doing 90 or 100 mph then it would be a different matter - those speeds are reserved for overtaking, when the aim is to get out, round and in again as quickly and safely as possible to minimise the time spent on the other side of the road. Then its back to cruising at 70ish.

So far so good *touch wood* I have a clean license. Lets hope it stays that way!

[GroovyCarrot]

I have no objection to the occasional use of cameras in a genuine blackspot where it's actually going to make some difference. However, a couple of villages away from me a couple of children have run out in front of busses without looking and got knocked down by motorists who were barely if at all speeding. Therefore, the entire village has been classified as an accident blackspot and there are regularly cameras at either end of the village pointing both ways. Never near the school, and not doing anything to help with the whole lack of road sense thing with the kids there. You'd expect these cameras to pop up maybe a couple of times a year to enforce the limit, and I'd have no real problem with that, despite the fact that it's doing nothing to deal with the actual cause of the blackspot (indeed, they're not actually anywhere near it..). However, they pop up once a fortnight or so, sometimes up to twice a week. Can we guess why? The M11 traffic police station is in the village, obviously it's easy for them to park a van outside the station and wander in for a cuppa when they get bored..
What I always wonder is why, given the enormous cost of buying and kitting out a mobile camera van, the cost isn't spent instead on buying a couple of traffic cars to stick the very bored coppers in who otherwise just have to sit there reading a book as their camera flashes away, so they could actually get out there and catch dangerous drivers, unlicensed drivers, unroadworthy vehicles, uninsured drivers and all of the other morons out there who are far more of a problem than people doing 35 in a 30?

I have to say, I tend to be very careful about what speed I'm doing, due not least to the fact that my license can only hold 6 points before I'm disqualified - two tickets and I'm back on L plates. However, even with a 10% allowance in place it's horribly easy to drift over the limit if you're concentrating more on where you're going and you end up just going with the flow of cars around you, and I hate to think that I could lose half my license to the flash of a camera, regardless of the situation.. whereas a copper will use his discretion in giving you a ticket, according to whether you actually deserve one, an automatic camera is so horribly indiscriminate that the idea of getting caught by one scares the pants off me, even though I try to stick to the 30 limit in towns and villages, I do 60 on A roads and I've never once been over 80 for more than a minute on a motorway, regardless of the conditions and how empty the road is.. I just can't risk my license like that.
And yet, people will happily keep going at 70 on a motorway, half a second from the next car's backside in the pouring rain, fog, ice, whatever nature throws at them, because obviously they're driving safely as they're under the speed limit, and therefore a camera won't flash them. It's just completely the wrong mentality to be encouraging in drivers, personally I think the entire way that the traffic system operates currently is outdated and unflexible, and really needs to be thought through again..

[Neimad]

personally I think the entire way that the traffic system operates currently is outdated and unflexible, and really needs to be thought through again..

Along with pretty much every other single law that this and many other countries are run by, I'm afraid. Unfortunately though, there's about as much chance of them changing as you winning a triple rollover jackpot on the lottery, getting lucky with your favourite supermodel/movie star, and being given a Mk5 Golf GTI all on the same day (and for the record I'd settle for any one of the above )...

Fact of the matter is, the letter of the law means more today than the meaning of it.

[GroovyCarrot]

Mm, I agree fully there.. the law is there to ensure that justice is in order to keep society together, not to punish people for menial offences whilst others go free for far more serious matters. The law should be there as a guideline and the final decision over whether an action is wrong or not should be left to a judge or magistrate in my opinion, but sadly things don't work like that around here..

[ste mk1lx]

Its like why do people buy radar detectors? Only because they want to speed and get away with it!

erm no if the police are truthful in the accident blackspot placements then surely radar dectors are simply highlighting these.

[13twelve]

i think its very anal of anyone to argue that police speed cameras are for our safety (our as in the public)

we're easy targets and so they take advantage of that

how many mobile units have you seen where the coppers obscure themselves, do not display markings, hide and dont have those little "mobile speed camera" signs about ?

if you dont see them, and you dont slow down not only have you got a fine, but note, YOU HAVENT SLOWED DOWN so whatever accident black spot your in, you didnt slow down or take extra care.

theres better ways to make us slow down in risky areas - chicanes, bollards (eg. road redesigns) etc. etc.



to be honest i wouldnt mind as much if the money that they fined us for went back into the roads (like where does our road tax go?)

but it doesnt

and what bothers me more is that some of that fine is to help compensate the victims of crime.

so some fck gets mugged and a speeder, who is easy to catch is paying compensation, rather than the fck that mugged whoever, who is much harder to catch.

30mph limits are set by counsillors with little to know experience of the roads in question, usining breaking data from the 50s when cars where no where near what they are today.

one of the funnyiest things is that people who speed are more often that not local people to whatever area - usually the same people who will complain about speeders in their own areas.

personally if its safe to drive over the limmit not excessivly i find it hard to see why i shouldnt.

speed limmits where once not limmits but recommendations on what speed to take.

[Sexypolo]

I was caught doing 43 in a 30 zone, lucky it was in September, Or id have got 4 points it seems! I found this .........

(Taken from The Times, Oct sumtime) Two penalty points and a fine of £40 are proposed for drivers travelling up to 39mph in a 30mph zone, up to 50mph in a 40mph zone, up to 61mph in a 50mph zone, up to 72mph in a 60mph zone and up to 83mph on unrestricted motorways and dual carriageways.

However, six penalty points and fines of £100 will be handed to motorists driving at more than 32mph in a 20mph limit, more than 45mph in a 30mph zone, more than 57mph in a 40mph zone, more than 70mph in a 50mph zone, more than 82mph in a 60mph zone and more than 94mph in a 70mph zone.