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We'll never have fuel prices like the americans, which, let's face it, is no bad thing if we want the world to be inhabitable for more than another generation.. but there's certainly no need for it to be rising like this. It's more a case of capping the price increases, which our government should be more than capable of doing given the amount they skim off the top, rather than battling to get seriously cheap fuel.

At the end of the day, the UK's government is a f*****g joke tax wise, but thats just something we have got to live with. My dad payed over 40grand tax last year, try thinking about that one

considering it was 75p a litre back in 2003, 88p is just taking the p1ss now. I have to do a 160 mile round trip to work 3 days a week and it's going to kill me soon!

you can quote that "it's not too bad", but it IS bad. that's a huge hike in 2 years...... over 15%.

Its because the government dont give a s**t about what anyone in the UK actually wants, they just do what they want. If everyone really showed how pissed off they where towards the prices of petrol the government would be forced to sort something out. WHat is the tax percentage of petrol? Its like 80% or something isnt it? I wouldnt be so bothered if the TAX actually went to something useful, that i could actually benefit from...

My GF has a flat, she pays £216 a week to live there, bearing in mind she is 18, thats alot... the woman downstairs gets hers for free + £100+ a week benefits because she is "job seeking"... its a f*****g joke!! Lazy f*****g retards getting everythjing for free these days...

...and the tax in the uk government is wrongly weighted. the low earners get too much benefit and a lot of them take the p1ss, the middle earners get taxed like crazy, and the high end earners have it pretty good compared to other countries in the EU.

when you get above the threshold of 22% income tax (32k or thereabouts) it shoots up to 40%, but what takes the p1ss is that national insurance goes down from 11% to to 1%, so effectively the higher earners only pay 7% above the middle band.

WTF

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polosilver wrote:At the end of the day, the UK's government is a f*****g joke tax wise, but thats just something we have got to live with. My dad payed over 40grand tax last year, try thinking about that one

I love that argument though ahah.

I'd much rather pay 40k tax than 4k when it's earnings relative.

polosilver wrote: My GF has a flat, she pays £216 a week to live there, bearing in mind she is 18, thats alot... the woman downstairs gets hers for free + £100+ a week benefits because she is "job seeking"... its a f*****g joke!! Lazy f*****g retards getting everythjing for free these days...

Like is said.. f*****g pisstake!

polosilver wrote:At the end of the day, the UK's government is a f*****g joke tax wise, but thats just something we have got to live with. My dad payed over 40grand tax last year, try thinking about that one

At least he paid it, I get sick of people dodging tax and evading any payments for it, because it's the honest people that get screwed at the end of the day.

A lot of guys contract at work, and they pay themselves about 12k through their company (one-man-band), and the rest of the pay goes into the company as "shares". they avoid huge amounts of tax this way (most of it national insurance). the government doesn't take the self-employed industry seriously enough - there are a lot of people taking the p*** out there (not everyone, I know)

david burton wrote:

polosilver wrote:At the end of the day, the UK's government is a f*****g joke tax wise, but thats just something we have got to live with. My dad payed over 40grand tax last year, try thinking about that one

At least he paid it, I get sick of people dodging tax and evading any payments for it, because it's the honest people that get screwed at the end of the day.

A lot of guys contract at work, and they pay themselves about 12k through their company (one-man-band), and the rest of the pay goes into the company as "shares". they avoid huge amounts of tax this way (most of it national insurance). the government doesn't take the self-employed industry seriously enough - there are a lot of people taking the p*** out there (not everyone, I know)

Thats what my dad does now, he got sick of paying that much tax out and seeing nothing in return. Cant blame him though, he must have payed over 120k tax in the last three years hes been running the new business!

Where do you think the supermarkets get their fuel from then? Over the rainbow?

They take the not-quite-perfect majority of it from the big companies (and/or smaller ones like Murco and Q8, i would bet) for a small discount, who then sell the slightly higher quality stuff at a couple pence more ... both of them managing to make a profit ... just.

The fact still remains that most of it goes to tax. Which gets pumped back in to European Parliament weekenders and speed cameras.

If you want to be an ethical consumer though, the general consensus is - avoid Esso, as they're pretty much b*stards all over (much like Nestle). Don't know about BP but the way the north sea oil field looks they may implode soon.
Stick with Shell. They've got a fairly well established renewables arm that could do with all the money it can scrounge (long term profitability planning, a business analyst would probably call it), and are still finding a fair number of oil fields in unlikely places. Not sure what their business and employment practices are IN those fields, but haven't heard any bad stuff neither.

Another way is to just use less fuel. If sales become poor, then the usual commercial knowledge is to drop prices to encourage them again. I think I'm already seeing this filtering through to a good number of people on the road already having trouble affording to fill up, and given some rumblings from the EU gov't it might be the secret thinking behind multitudes of speed cameras and ideas for tracking devices.
Just slow down. Try to keep at or below the motorway limit unless you really need to be somewhere in minimal time (an average modern petrol car should make an easy 40-45mpg at 70, but unavoidably less at higher speeds - simple law of physics), and go play with the trucks if you have limitless patience. Particularly, take it easy around town, as even my limited experience has shown that charging around in low gear saves you at most 2 or 3 seconds per mile on average compared to gently cruising it in high... but knackers your economy.

Plus you save money, carbon, and maybe your engine

(Says he who relishes 150 mile blasts where right foot never breaks contact with carpet! Learn to appreciate the roadside foliage, or take some of your less listened to CDs from the rack and give them a second chance on a long trip)

Oh - and FIGHT the "pay by the mile" taxation proposals even if the supposed promise is that it'll be cheaper overall than separate fuel and road fund taxes. It won't be - you think even if the prices start insanely low they won't rocket? look at the M6 toll! - and it's just an excuse for an inescapable tracking system.

polosilver wrote:WHat is the tax percentage of petrol? Its like 80% or something isnt it? I wouldnt be so bothered if the TAX actually went to something useful, that i could actually benefit from...

Its something like 80% of the cost of petrol is tax... so that means tax on petrol is in fact 400%

Not sure of the actual tax on petrol... but its definitely over 100%

Haha last week I had to go into work on a Saturday... and the last time I went into work on a sat I drove, cos I couldnt be bothered to take the tube... but this time I just remembered the article about petrol prices soaring... so just used my prepaid Oyster card

tell me about it, jesus im currently looking for a 1 litre diesel to run on red diesel 17.9 p per litre, or gas, but as everyone buys gas watch the prices of gas rocket!

JT i'd say the first thing to do is to get the heck out of london

I can commute in/out of birmingham and with the right route never face a truly serious fuel-noshing snarl like what you have day in day out. Or any congestion charges.

(thats a problem with a lot of our govt policies, unless something major happens in a peripheral city to get their attention - which usually has to be a major bad thing to hit the news - the laws the UK gets are London laws, including those for traffic, and so are a little askew compared to the life of an average briton)

PS did anyone see / post this link yet?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... er=unknown

the price of oil HAS gone up by more than the 15% we've seen - the protests back in '99 had some effect - but the news has been buried.... if rises of the sort detailed there were front paged rather than buried in a corner of page 7 of the business section, there'd be uproar.

The scary thing is if their suggestion that some (many?) americans feel that we inexplicably have a limitless, god-given supply of fossil fuel. But then the yank masses never were good on physics, geology or the laws of supply, demand and available stock. Give me what I want, now, or I call my lawyer... I don't care if you've sold out, go find it!