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Hurdy is right guys

The forum is no place for this, so please both of you chill out a little - I don't want to have to lock the thread.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but please respect those of others

So Valentino Rossi , Jorge Lorenzo etc all wanabees? what a dick !! Hayabusa fast bike yes but if they are that good where are they in motor sport? answer-- no where As for me saying about performance gains if the know alls could read i never said there was none (on cars ) i said that 15 bhp gain was bull s**t and it still is as for "people in the know" using it in their chosen application" knowing its the best --b*******s just because you use it doesn't mean its the best when other people with their chosen applications need economy so your one brush sweeps all purile comments have no substance at all --after all whats the point when a non turbo motorcycle will leave you for dead anywhere anytime wannabee and lets face it you could power the car with what you talk pure premium crap ohh and lol lol lol ( does that make me calm? pleb)

Ok. This is going nowhere.

Thread locked.