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Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:21 am
by monkeyhanger
Robint wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:32 am So far I’ve not seen any other GTIs in the Nottingham area it’s nice to hear there are a few about. I’ve got 1050 miles on mine and I love it 🤣


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Not seen another in North Tyneside or Newcastle, but when visiting a small retail oark near home, I came out to find a couple having a good look at the car. They looked a bit sheepish as I approached the car, but I let them have a quick look as they were considering one for their next car. They had a 2013 Scirocco.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:56 pm
by monkeyhanger
Definitely got the 620 miles power boost when out in the car this morning, you just have to tickle the throttle to evoke a response. The wheels were spinning up in the wet at 35mph in 2nd when putting my foot down, seems my faith in the Bridgestone Turnzas being a lot better than Potenzas was based on the unseasonally warm weather we were having and VW's hold-back of power during run-in. Today at 10C in the rain, they were pretty poor. If they get much worse then I might get them changed before it gets any cooler.

Eyeing up a set of 16" winter wheels, but not sure if they'll fit a Polo GTI's brake calipers.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:59 pm
by Robint
I’ve been looking for wheels basing my views on the 18” brescia figment but cannot make my mind up


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Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:44 am
by silverhairs
Where actually does this "Power boost at 620 miles" come from, is it written down in your hand books as you will feel this great boost of power at 620 miles? All engines are tight when first produced and need to be treated with a bit of respect for the first 1000 miles before they free up a bit.
As for getting up this morning and the car had miraculously gained this extra boost, is a bit of figment of the imagination?
Any car with 198 BHP on tap will spin it's drive wheels at 35 MPH in 2nd gear (in the wet). Any car with that amount of BHP and torque will do the same.

I'm not trying to pee on your parade.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:46 am
by EmiLiuZ
silverhairs wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:44 am Where actually does this "Power boost at 620 miles" come from, is it written down in your hand books as you will feel this great boost of power at 620 miles? All engines are tight when first produced and need to be treated with a bit of respect for the first 1000 miles before they free up a bit.
As for getting up this morning and the car had miraculously gained this extra boost, is a bit of figment of the imagination?
Any car with 198 BHP on tap will spin it's drive wheels at 35 MPH in 2nd gear (in the wet). Any car with that amount of BHP and torque will do the same.

I'm not trying to pee on your parade.
It could be a software design from the manufacture to limit the polos power in order to secure a stable burn in period?
I'm not sure either :)

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:00 pm
by silverhairs
I can see your view "EmiliuZ" , it may be a software design? But can any member say where they got the information from in the first place, that's all I'm asking??

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:11 pm
by richl123
Forgot to say, thanks to all the refinement feedback on Page 15.

Sounds like their is a gap between the Polo and Golf, I will have to see for myself if its too big for me, obviously very subjective.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm
by monkeyhanger
silverhairs wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:44 am Where actually does this "Power boost at 620 miles" come from, is it written down in your hand books as you will feel this great boost of power at 620 miles? All engines are tight when first produced and need to be treated with a bit of respect for the first 1000 miles before they free up a bit.
As for getting up this morning and the car had miraculously gained this extra boost, is a bit of figment of the imagination?
Any car with 198 BHP on tap will spin it's drive wheels at 35 MPH in 2nd gear (in the wet). Any car with that amount of BHP and torque will do the same.

I'm not trying to pee on your parade.
The 1000km boost/opening up came in with the MK7 Golf (perhaps just before). After having come from a VW Scirocco, I was one of the first in a MK7 Golf GTD. I was disappointed at the output of my GTD, it felt slower than the Scirocco 170TDI that came before it. I have a method of comparatively measuring my cars performance against my previous ones. There's a sliproad onto dual carriageway near me. I approach at 25mph until I pass a sign and then cane it until I hit another sign. In my Scirooco, I could pass the 2nd sign at 80mph, in my GTD it was 78mph - disappointing, considering it is 14ps up on the Scirocco. I noticed the car get a boost on my next trip beyond 620mph. The GTD then passed the second sign at 83mph, consistently. My R does the same stretch and finishes at 98mph (obvously only done in the quiet of 5am).

Other people on the GTI forum reported the gains at around the same point. I have seen/felt it on all my VAGs owned from 2013 onwards: the GTD, R, A1 1.6TDI and now the Polo GTI+. Also in the software never previously seen before 2013 in 5 previous VWs, the car works under reduced output until the oil reaches 60C.

My surprise at the wheelspin was with how little throttle the wheelspin came - I didn't floor it - only about 1/3 throttle. Same car on Michelin PS4/PSS, Contisport 5 etc. would have required 3/4 throttle to evoke the same spin. Bridgestone componds are rock hard, lasting a long time but offering poor grip. Most tyre performance trails off at about 4C, with the Bridgestones it is about 12C.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:29 pm
by silverhairs
I'm not doubting your findings "monkeyhanger" but all I'm asking is where has it been stated in print that at 620 miles the brain of the engine re-programmes it's self?

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:42 pm
by monkeyhanger
silverhairs wrote: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:29 pm I'm not doubting your findings "monkeyhanger" but all I'm asking is where has it been stated in print that at 620 miles the brain of the engine re-programmes it's self?
It's not stated anywhere, but when the ECU can detect when it's in a test cycle and adapt output accordingly (Dieselgate), is it much of a stretch for you to believe it?

It's a protection thing to stop you thrashing a new car while it's running in. Call it a boost or removal of temporary retardation of output, it is noticeable when you switch the car on to find more power available.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:09 am
by barrywi
Question.
On the digital dash rev counter on the gti plus there is a circular white line towards the centre which moves round depending on how hard you push the car. I presume this is a sort of economy gauge. However on my car there is a tiny red arrow on it at about 2 o clock. Does anyone know what it indicates. I cannot find anything in the handbook about it .

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:48 am
by Dan34
barrywi wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:09 am Question.
On the digital dash rev counter on the gti plus there is a circular white line towards the centre which moves round depending on how hard you push the car. I presume this is a sort of economy gauge. However on my car there is a tiny red arrow on it at about 2 o clock. Does anyone know what it indicates. I cannot find anything in the handbook about it .
The white line indicates 'instant MPG', the red arrow is the average MPG. The red arrow will move further round clockwise as your average consumption goes up.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:14 am
by barrywi
Thanks Dan, it seems like information overload! At least the red arrow does not indicate that the seat is about to eject.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:30 pm
by jylydesign
jylydesign wrote:Well, well, once again I am sitting on the roadside waiting for breakdown assistance! 457 miles on the clock and 3rd time it had broken down. I think I have a dog and vw can put it where the sun don't shine.
Just accelerating away from standstill and suddenly jumps out of gear, total loss of power, 5 warning lights on, fuel gauge says zero although I have half a tank. I turned off now it won't turn on again. I wonder what my grounds are for rejecting the car?
Update from the dealer. Wiring from loom to gear selector had come loose causing the car to not know what gear it was in. But also the gear selector appears faulty and probably needs replacing.
Report sent to VW HQ awaiting their instructions. In any case the part is on backorder with no ETA and VW have extended my hire vehicle indefinitely!
A Friday afternoon job for sure.
As it is on PCH I have contacted the lease company who technically owns the vehicle and suggested they might like to reject the vehicle. Will see what happens.

Re: GTI and GTI plus owners experiences

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:39 pm
by barrywi
That is terrible bad luck. They would struggle to replace it as well as there are no more new ones being made until November 5 th, which means 2019 delivery. They should give you a Golf Gti as compensation !