Patil's little Polo 6R 1.2 Tsi Dsg7 RHD

[ciclo]

I was too late to see this information.
I have BCM 087P(with address 65 in gateway installation list), and I bough a 3AA TPMS.
After trying ODX of 3AA, 2H6 and 5Q0, there is nothing show up on my cluster.
I'll return TPMS and keep my inderict TPMS.

Don't give up just yet
I have very encouraging information for you. I heard it sometime ago from a friend, I think it's Sujoy.. that PQ 25 BCM high 18D 937 086 D/E support direct TPMS. 18D BCM is a straight swap for 6R0/6RU 087 BCM's. Well it's worth a try.
Good luck!
Link to 18D BCM
https://a.aliexpress.com/_okAtpmw

Are you sure that 086 is a direct swap with 087?

[sejuani]

Don't give up just yet
I have very encouraging information for you. I heard it sometime ago from a friend, I think it's Sujoy.. that PQ 25 BCM high 18D 937 086 D/E support direct TPMS. 18D BCM is a straight swap for 6R0/6RU 087 BCM's. Well it's worth a try.
Good luck!
Link to 18D BCM
https://a.aliexpress.com/_okAtpmw

Thanks for the good news.
But I have returned the TPMS

[patil]

Are you sure that 086 is a direct swap with 087?

I am not sure, but I heard that they are direct swap. I have only heard that 18D BCM supports Direct TPMS, which is used by some retrofitters here. Which particular 18D BCM series( 086x or 087x) they are using I don't know. If I come to know I will post. Looks like 18D 087H is the most updated pq25 BCM on AliExpress. It would be the best bet.

[ciclo]

I suppose that like the BCMs used in Europe, the 086 does not support CCS and other functions, regardless of whether the 18D...086 supports TPMS, so this must be kept in mind in case of BCM change. There are always exceptions, so PR codes help choose the right BCM.

That's why my observation.

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The best thing is to choose a BCM 090 Max, ...the right PQ25 BCM.

[patil]

Update on Discover media Polo6R (PQ25)

When we install DM in Polo 6R, we enable 5F in gateway installation list. Along with it, we also have to enable the address 37 (Navigation) and address 77( Telephone) in the gateway installation list for both features to work, though these subsystems are built into MIB 5F address. As a side effect, this led to the appearance of ghost ( virtual ) addresses 37 and 77 in gateway list. This is not a problem per se functionality wise, but these ghost modules can now be permanently eliminated from the gateway list without losing any functionality.
With regular updates of VCDS the Rosstech is bringing, new information(labels) is being known about the existing bytes/bits of certain control modules (PQ25) previously unknown.
My sincere thanks to dear Master Ciclo for sharing this information with me.

How to do this:

1. Enable Byte2 bit 0 and bit 1 in gateway (19 address) coding.
2. Deselect addresses 37 and 77 from the gateway installation list. Save the changes
3. Do a fresh autoscan / refresh gateway from autoscan window.
The ghost 37 and 77 modules will no longer be seen in the scan/ gateway list.

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Sunday,01,September,2024,20:25:08:09269
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
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VIN: MEXL15606GT048293   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 60-VW25 (7E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 10 15 17 19 20 25 3C 44 55 5F 65

VIN: MEXL15606GT048293   Mileage: 129000km-80156miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
20-High Beam Assist. -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CBZB)       Labels:. 03F-906-070-CBZ.clb
   Part No SW: 03F 906 070 KC    HW: 03F 907 309 AJ
   Component: SIMOS10.22AH10 6270  
   Revision: --H10---    Serial number: 00000000000000 CVN: 461B84FC
   Coding: 00250056232400080000
   Shop #: WSC 53863 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS02103F906070KC 004006
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS02103F906070FD_004.rod
   VCID: 6D84C0CEAD13BD32845-8038
   VINID: 755A1C0451801979001080890C0D0C61A9

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 065 N    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 6502  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501508317273
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01260 002 1048576
   VCID: 3A2E3B92A05DDA8A517-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 CB    HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
   Component: ESP9.0i front H03 0003  
   Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 62DD2863422703C8461614724254C0800908
   Shop #: WSC 29230 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003031
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_003_VW23.rod
   VCID: 005A897A8A81405A5F3-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 654     HW: 6R0 959 654 
   Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H07 0070  
   Serial number: 07022013470235
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001
   ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
   VCID: 7EA6F782F07536AA2DF-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 Q    HW: 6R0 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H12 0615  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 41DC4C7EC18B895210D-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 D    HW: 7E0 937 090 D
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0762  
   Revision: B9082001    Serial number: 8601 222180475
   Coding: 3AB02FF808210000213806F17CCB9ED0F2C0670F604D30C0200400030800
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   VCID: 2C020DCA5609743AD3B-8078

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 547 
   Component: RLHS 200618 0  50  0107 
   Coding: 0228DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BH    HW: 6R0 959 802 BH  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8612 
   Serial number: KU0KU015041441050460
   Coding: 1400B3

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 BC    HW: 6R0 959 801 BC  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8612 
   Serial number: KU0KU014041441047765
   Coding: 0400B3

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5TA 959 442     HW: 5TA 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
   Serial number: 2731410180700922AG1B
   Coding: 270000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 L    HW: 6R0 959 811 L
   Component: -------------  006 5550 
   Serial number: 13102580150623202239
   Coding: 020000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 L    HW: 6R0 959 812 L
   Component: -------------  006 5550 
   Serial number: 13202581150812164218
   Coding: 020000

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 1K8 919 472 C    HW: 5Q0 919 294 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H03 0480  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 39331616005272
   Coding: 0001151011
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18VW364GP00 001007
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW364GP00_VW32.rod
   VCID: 372822A69FCFC7E2AE9-8062

1 Fault Found:
12718592 - Databus 
          U1121 00 [00001001] - Missing Message
          [Steuergerät für Lenksäulenelektronik-J527/BCM - mZAS_1 - kein Signal/keine Kommunikation]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 232
                    Mileage: 129003 km
                    Date: 2024.09.01.
                    Time: 20:28:09


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J    HW: 6R0 959 655 J
   Component: VW10AirbagU06 H10 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GW0118WCJ Dataset Number: 00000000000 0001
   Coding: 003036
   Shop #: WSC 01234 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 49CC545EF93B4112C8D-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6RD 920 870 A    HW: 6RD 920 870 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0805  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 141C00
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04727
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 47C85266EF2FB762DE9-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 090 D
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0762  
   Revision: B9082001    
   Coding: 002307
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   VCID: 688AB1DA8271981AF73-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 20: High Beam Assist. (J844)       Labels:| 8S0-857-511.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 857 511 G    HW: 7E0 857 511 E
   Component: FLA           H10 0003  
   Revision: AA001001    
   Coding: 0404010000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316 001004
   ROD: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2E0607C26095062AFDF-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0805  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW23.rod
   VCID: 6A8ECBD29CFDAA0AE17-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 C    HW: 5Q0 907 686 C
   Component: HRE_Master    H12 0081  
   Serial number: 0529820662 Dataset Number: V03935258DF 0001
   Coding: 03031202
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: EV_HREntryHella_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3D24308EBDF3EDB2745-8068

   Lane change assistance control module 2: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 685 C    HW: 5Q0 907 685 C
   Component: HRE_Slave  H12 0081 
   Serial number: 0530916291          
   Coding: 030312

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
   Part No SW: 1S2 909 144 P    HW: 1S2 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ECU       H61 1702  
   Dataset Number: 6RF074v____ 0120
   Coding: 0001000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 014008
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_014_VW12.rod
   VCID: 41DC4C7EC10B895210D-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:. 6R0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 
   Component: LWR-ECU       H02 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: -------------- Dataset Number: 5c0036v____ 0004
   Coding: 0116000001000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
   VCID: 77A8E2A6DF4F07E26E9-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 035 680 F    HW: 5C0 035 680 F
   Component: MU-S-N-ER     H41 0478  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2U0986183 Dataset Number: V03935266VJ 0001
   Coding: 02620001FF0000005111000101080A001F0100D6002001000E
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 2412E5EA3E59BC7A1BB-8070

   Data carrier: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866 CM    HW: -----------
   Component: MRM2 2023  --- 1910 
   Serial number: --------------------

3 Faults Found:
15360768 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [00001001] - Active
          [Anti-theft protection - component protection active (0xEA6300)]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 232
                    Mileage: 129003 km
                    Date: 2024.09.01.
                    Time: 20:28:09

                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.2 V

2562 - Navigation System 
          B126C F0 [00001001] - Navigation Database Faulty
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 232
                    Mileage: 129003 km
                    Date: 2024.09.01.
                    Time: 20:28:17

                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.1 V

0001 - Antenna 1 for Radio 
          B1119 13 [00001001] - Open Circuit
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 232
                    Mileage: 129003 km
                    Date: 2024.09.01.
                    Time: 20:28:09

                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.2 V
                    Status of antenna 1 for radio-Antenna current: 0 mA
                    Status of antenna 1 for radio-Connection between radio and antenna amplifier: Open circuit
                    Status of antenna 1 for radio-Connection between antenna amplifier and antenna: Not available
                    Status of antenna 1 for radio-Reception level antenna 1: 0 dBµV


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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3AA-907-273.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 273 F    HW: 5Q0 907 273 
   Component: RDKBERU30     H04 0011  
   Serial number: 40000000058983 Dataset Number: rdkseditor  0204
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU30 005005
   ROD: EV_RDKBERU30_005.rod
   VCID: 372822A69FCFC7E2AE9-8062

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:29, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----

Everything works like before, as if nothing has happened, but 2 foreign bodies have been eliminated from the autoscan.

[ciclo]

Wonderful my dear Doctor.
Thank you for such precise and elaborate information.

[ciclo]

I wonder because I'm really intrigued what would happen to the Rear Traffic Alert on your 6R (5Q0 radars + DM + 6R GTI IC) if:

1- You temporarily reinstall/connect the 7E0 PDC 8K unit you had previously.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 J    HW: 7N0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0105  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 28261224902578
   Coding: 308101
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS_VW25.rod
   VCID: 392C249EA9DBD19FCD7-806C

No fault code found.

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2- You update it to AA version (this is good in any case).
I give you the flash file FL_7E0919475AA_0212_8k.frf in case you don't have it.

3- Activate Byte1 Bit5 in the coding of this updated 7E0 PDC 8K unit, as shown here.



We already know that your RTA works with the 1K8 PDC 8K unit from the tests you did.
- viewtopic.php?p=575428#p575428
- viewtopic.php?p=576530#p576530
By the way, does the RTA stop working if you disable it on your 6R GTI IC?


I think the RTA with 7E0 PDC 8k unit should work on your 6R with your setup, but that's something we will never know without doing this test.
It might be too much work for you right now as you have some projects going on (Troc, New Toyota), so you don't need to do it, this will just serve to expand our knowledge and get a head as big as a hot air balloon.

Well, since my Side Assist has made my 6R R-line 10 years younger , I might be considering a DM now that we've got rid of a few 'bugs'. I'll have to talk to the wizard Slavik in the next few months.

[patil]

Iam in, I will do the tests. I still have the old 8k ops module lying somewhere in the store. RTA works fine with DM and 1k8 ops module. Only thing is there is no audible beeps/ warning when RTA is operating, only visual warning yellow/red on mib. Yes, RTA can be enabled/ disabled via cluster menu. Infact, both BSD and RTA can be independently activated / deactivated in cluster menu's.
Kindly share the new AA 8k ops firmware,I don't have it.

[ciclo]

Perfect. I send you the FL_AA file to your email.

[ciclo]

Any progress here?

By the way, I'm looking for the flash file for our instrument cluster... do you have it?

Part No SW: 6RD 920 870 A HW: 6RD 920 870 A
Component: KOMBI H04 0805

I think I have it somewhere hidden, but I can't find it now.

[til3tsio]

I do not think that it is available on the Erwin files, at least I was not able to find it.
You could try 5C6920874D 818 file using you eeprom backup.

[patil]

Any progress here?

By the way, I'm looking for the flash file for our instrument cluster... do you have it?

Part No SW: 6RD 920 870 A HW: 6RD 920 870 A
Component: KOMBI H04 0805

I think I have it somewhere hidden, but I can't find it now.

I am yet to find my old 7E0 ops module.. somewhere it is in my parts, I am sure I will find it. I will have a deeper look.

I don't have the firmware of our GTI cluster. But I can get it from my sources if you need it.

[ciclo]

I do not think that it is available on the Erwin files, at least I was not able to find it.
You could try 5C6920874D 818 file using you eeprom backup.

Thanks for the tip, I already saw on the net that you were looking for it without success. I have other similar alternatives with the Amarok IC firmware, but I need to have our IC firmware as a backup so as not to have traumatic experiences...
The flash file for our IC firmware was available for a while... now I seem to remember that I couldn't recover it when my laptop's SSD died.

I don't have the firmware of our GTI cluster. But I can get it from my sources if you need it.

Yes, please, my imaginary Chinese friend can no longer answer my emails.

[til3tsio]

Just a warning,
If you use amarok 1009 or the jeta USA that I suggested,
the security algorithm will change and then you won't be able to downgrade via obd. This happens to software up to 07xx , I'm not sure about the 6RD...805

I have also tried 2h6 1120 but I was not able to figure out the correct wheel circumference.

[patil]

Just a warning,
If you use amarok 1009 or the jeta USA that I suggested,
the security algorithm will change and then you won't be able to downgrade via obd. This happens to software up to 07xx , I'm not sure about the 6RD...805

I have also tried 2h6 1120 but I was not able to figure out the correct wheel circumference.

I agree. I will add that 0805 Sw also cannot be downgraded. This is the reason why I stayed with SW 805, even though I had plans to upgrade firmware.
There are few benefits of 1xxx firmwares though. SW 1009 (Amarok) and SW 1108 (Jetta GLI,NAR) also support TPMS module/sensors.. 5Q0/5Q0, 2H6/5Q0 apart from 3AA/3AA. Additionally both 1009/1108 support KESSY, but 1108 supports all kessy related features& warnings and even detects ELV.
Long back I had planned to retrofit Kessy in my 6R, but later abandoned it. Literally there was no free space left in my 6R for any further retrofits.. fusebox full, door connector slots full etc..

I think..Slavik, Shardul, Nikhil and also iichel have done extensive experimenting with 6R clusters. It would be nice of them, if they share more information on this.