Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:56 am
What! You are kidding? Failed completely or a glitch?daydotz wrote:my dsg failed this morning not even 24hours its broke again
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Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:48 am
Daydotz - Join the club matey. 
My DSG has failed 6 times pal, every time when pulling accross a road / cross-road. Did it just not allow you to move from stand-still? Will only rev to around 1200 revs, and the gear indicator just flashing? VW have had mine 3 times for this problem, one time they had it for over 3 weeks as the garage and VW technical in Germany had no idea what was wrong. Technical came back and tried to say its a safety feature in the dsg box called ' shift Lock'. Handed me a transcript all in german explaining it 
Its caused when your trying to put the gearbox into a gear / mode at the wrong time, it doesnt like it, so it throws itself into this 'shift lock' to protect itself. Then when you select 'p' you reset it, and all is well. Sorry for going off topic a little, but everyone should know about this issue, becuase it seems to be slowly creaping up on most people with the 1.4 TSI 7 speed DSG boxes. VW refuse to accept theres a fault. Ive been fighting with both the garage and customer services trying to have the box / car replaced, but its an absolutle nite-mare
My DSG has failed 6 times pal, every time when pulling accross a road / cross-road. Did it just not allow you to move from stand-still? Will only rev to around 1200 revs, and the gear indicator just flashing? VW have had mine 3 times for this problem, one time they had it for over 3 weeks as the garage and VW technical in Germany had no idea what was wrong. Technical came back and tried to say its a safety feature in the dsg box called ' shift Lock'. Handed me a transcript all in german explaining it Its caused when your trying to put the gearbox into a gear / mode at the wrong time, it doesnt like it, so it throws itself into this 'shift lock' to protect itself. Then when you select 'p' you reset it, and all is well. Sorry for going off topic a little, but everyone should know about this issue, becuase it seems to be slowly creaping up on most people with the 1.4 TSI 7 speed DSG boxes. VW refuse to accept theres a fault. Ive been fighting with both the garage and customer services trying to have the box / car replaced, but its an absolutle nite-mare Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:59 am
That is a new one on me, have had the oil consumption issues but DSG, fingers crossed has been fine.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:37 pm
x2skipster wrote:That is a new one on me, have had the oil consumption issues but DSG, fingers crossed has been fine.
Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:42 pm
Turns out it was just a glitch
The gear selecter went very stiff an wouldn't engage any gears. Rac worked out it was due to a clip with a yellow bit on at the back right of the engine bay turns out this simple clip can cause the dsg not to work he did say it was a very poor design
Took it to vw they checked it agreed i it was what caused my problem adjusted it as it was still a bit iffy seems perfect now
I watch it for now but it seems ok but it does seem a flawed design if it can immobilise your car I guess I'm lucky an it got stuck in 3 parking bays at work just a bit annoying at 5am it's alot of unneeded stress
The gear selecter went very stiff an wouldn't engage any gears. Rac worked out it was due to a clip with a yellow bit on at the back right of the engine bay turns out this simple clip can cause the dsg not to work he did say it was a very poor design
Took it to vw they checked it agreed i it was what caused my problem adjusted it as it was still a bit iffy seems perfect now
I watch it for now but it seems ok but it does seem a flawed design if it can immobilise your car I guess I'm lucky an it got stuck in 3 parking bays at work just a bit annoying at 5am it's alot of unneeded stress
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:25 pm
Glad it was sorted so quickly, but to happen at 5am was very inconvenient to say the least. As I mentioned, I have not heard of any DSG issues with the Polo, so hopefully now that 'clip' has been adjusted, should be ok now.daydotz wrote:Turns out it was just a glitch
The gear selecter went very stiff an wouldn't engage any gears. Rac worked out it was due to a clip with a yellow bit on at the back right of the engine bay turns out this simple clip can cause the dsg not to work he did say it was a very poor design
Took it to vw they checked it agreed i it was what caused my problem adjusted it as it was still a bit iffy seems perfect now
I watch it for now but it seems ok but it does seem a flawed design if it can immobilise your car I guess I'm lucky an it got stuck in 3 parking bays at work just a bit annoying at 5am it's alot of unneeded stress
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:20 pm
I'm starting to get hacked off now over this oil consumption on my GTI.
Garage 1 (Witherspoons, Sighthill in Edinburgh) - They agreed to do a consumption test after 5000 miles after much arguing on my part. Go along today to get them to top it up and start the test only to find they are now out of business. Dammit.
Garage 2 (Western, Gorgie in Edinburgh) - Call them up, explain the situation. Firstly they try and claim there is no such thing as a consumption test, then they claim my current consumtion (1.5 litres every 800 miles!) is within normal levels!!!!!. I explained how this is almost double what the handbook advises and they have reluctantly agreed to look at it.
Should it really be this difficult to get an issue looked at?
Has anyone in the Edinburgh area had a garage accept there is a problem here?
Help.
Garage 1 (Witherspoons, Sighthill in Edinburgh) - They agreed to do a consumption test after 5000 miles after much arguing on my part. Go along today to get them to top it up and start the test only to find they are now out of business. Dammit.
Garage 2 (Western, Gorgie in Edinburgh) - Call them up, explain the situation. Firstly they try and claim there is no such thing as a consumption test, then they claim my current consumtion (1.5 litres every 800 miles!) is within normal levels!!!!!. I explained how this is almost double what the handbook advises and they have reluctantly agreed to look at it.
Should it really be this difficult to get an issue looked at?
Has anyone in the Edinburgh area had a garage accept there is a problem here?
Help.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:24 pm
They are just trying to fob you off. There is TPI on this which was issued in July I think regarding the oil consumption on this engine. Ask them to dig this out and get your car booked in so that can perform the tests including the weighting the oil and test drive to establish the usage in controlled conditions. Most of us with oil issues have had this test done and then new rings fitted which is supposed to fix the issue but doesn't always. Good luck.bullwinkle wrote:I'm starting to get hacked off now over this oil consumption on my GTI.
Garage 1 (Witherspoons, Sighthill in Edinburgh) - They agreed to do a consumption test after 5000 miles after much arguing on my part. Go along today to get them to top it up and start the test only to find they are now out of business. Dammit.
Garage 2 (Western, Gorgie in Edinburgh) - Call them up, explain the situation. Firstly they try and claim there is no such thing as a consumption test, then they claim my current consumtion (1.5 litres every 800 miles!) is within normal levels!!!!!. I explained how this is almost double what the handbook advises and they have reluctantly agreed to look at it.
Should it really be this difficult to get an issue looked at?
Has anyone in the Edinburgh area had a garage accept there is a problem here?
Help.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:28 pm
What does TPI stand for?
I'll bring it up when I'm in on Friday.
I'll bring it up when I'm in on Friday.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:54 pm
TPI - technical bulletin. Most proberbly is a long daft name for it, but the garage usually refer to it as a technical bulletin. Hope that help matey. 
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:50 pm
I use Specialist Cars Volkswagen Dunfermline, bit of a drive for you - but they have been fantastic with my GTIbullwinkle wrote:I'm starting to get hacked off now over this oil consumption on my GTI.
Garage 1 (Witherspoons, Sighthill in Edinburgh) - They agreed to do a consumption test after 5000 miles after much arguing on my part. Go along today to get them to top it up and start the test only to find they are now out of business. Dammit.
Garage 2 (Western, Gorgie in Edinburgh) - Call them up, explain the situation. Firstly they try and claim there is no such thing as a consumption test, then they claim my current consumtion (1.5 litres every 800 miles!) is within normal levels!!!!!. I explained how this is almost double what the handbook advises and they have reluctantly agreed to look at it.
Should it really be this difficult to get an issue looked at?
Has anyone in the Edinburgh area had a garage accept there is a problem here?
Help.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:43 am
Yes, all new engines must be runned at redine for few minutes. Honda did that for their engines at the assembly plant. I am not sure for VW though. However, once that engine is in the car, you should only redline and work on the boost hard after you have bed in the DSG clutch plates.gavs wrote:My method was to find some hills, use a gear-too-high to get up the hill, rev the engine out to redline (yes, redline), then use engine braking to slow the car down. Along with variying engine speed by using different gears at 100kph, then taking the car for a good, hard fang on some twisty roads and yeah, oil consumption seems to be stady now. APR Australia have done over 8000kms and they ran teh car in with exactly the same method as I did (I actually copied them to be honest!) and their car has no oil consumption issues whatsoever. If you don't take the car to redline in the first place, what happens when you get there later on? Suddenly, your bores have a 0.01mm lip on top because the pistons weren't fully worked through their operating range, that lip suddendly chips off and / damages your rings when they hit it, oil creeps past that damage and once fluid gets past, it stays past. You burn it up and have oil consumption issues. Just a theory but a couple of engine builders (1 builds weekend-rally car engines, the other does it as a hobby)I've spoken to seem to think this is quite viable/
TO answer the other question, yes, the oil does meet the specs, well, the australian delivered stuff does, not sure about your UK delivered stuff (yes, different markets get different oil. Castrol advertise how good Castrol EDGE is, yet they don't even sell it here, they only sell Castrol EDGE SPORT which only meets standards for piece-of-crap australian built cars!)
The oil is:
Liqui Moly Top Tech 4200
double check the bottles, it generally says the manufacturere specs it complies to.
Using the uphill for putting constant boost pressure into the combustion chamber makes alot of sense. Downhill makes even more sense since the engine will be in vacuum mode all the way till the foot of the hill to clean up the metal shavings from the rings and into the oil sump and into the oil filter. I will be using some powerful heat resistance magnets at the sump or oil filter like I did in my Honda.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:52 am
There is a god.
Took the car in, spoke with the bloke and he confirmed there is a TPI for oil consumption.
See you in 600 miles.
Took the car in, spoke with the bloke and he confirmed there is a TPI for oil consumption.
See you in 600 miles.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:40 pm
Well sick of spending on oil so its now in the dealers getting new rings & scrapers + a few rattles sorted out in both b pillars and door gard + a loose drivers seat, so not a happy chappy.
Re: Using Oil!
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:30 pm
Happy to report that over 900 miles since the rings/scrapers were replaced, oil level is still showing max. My dealer did provide me with 2 * 1 litre top ups to replace the ones I had used previously. Luckily not had to touch them.