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hi, new here!

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:06 pm
by captain_starlet
hi people, lovin the polo's !

madmanmike has given me insperation for a mkIII polog40, love em but hes gettin GT and i dont wanna p*** on me bast mates fire gettin a fster polo. i have a starlet turbo atm and its broken and gonna cost 2k gettin it fixed and lookin sweet wit re-spray etc. so id like something cheaper to run etc and euro style (love it) and the g40 seems great. so....

whats the modding potential?
what cars have modded g40's outdone,
what the std specs?
and are they cheap to fix/ mod/run etc?

cheers... nick.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:50 pm
by MadManMike
We don't want any JapScrap here mate ;)

bugger off to performance.jap or something :D

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:17 pm
by polopowah
hello and welcome
enjoy your stay
-Ben-

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:24 pm
by Tahrey1043
Starlet Turbo huh? Quite a unique choice, not yer average Civic Type-R-wannabe nonsense... how old?
(i like running one in GT :D quite a nice goer, and i suspect an awesome sleeperwagon if you've removed the telltales rather than charving it up)

answers to questions...
(yeah, this is bloody big, especially considering i dont have a G --- its accumulated knowledge from browsing over various threads containing the info)

1. heauge ... nowhere near as much as your average rice burner, but respectable and, more than anything else, cause great surprise. the current target to beat is 200hp out of the standard block (regular 1272 or bored 1341... stroked cc, who knows??)

2. probably quite a lot of them, someone else will have an example kill list im sure (though the thread might get locked / deleted for that kind of behaviour, as this isnt a barry site). the peak power isn't humongous, but like your toyota it's a pretty lightweight car even before any stripping and lightening, and it's got a good punch of torque behind it thanks to being supercharged not turboed, so the acceleration is akin to say a skyline (bloody heavy car!) with twice the BHP. It's the lotus theory... (even a stock elise with 110hp is stonking fast, as it's barely heavier than a superbike)

3. Standard specs, according to the manual:
83kW peak power at 6000rpm (limiter at 6600), 150Nm torque at 3400-4000rpm (??? this is from memory, hehe) and holds it well at both lower and higher rpms.
In imperial speak that's about 113BHP and 110lbft... not too shabby for a 1272cc engine!
Plus, all of the polo power units seem to be slightly under-sold in the VW literature, probably so some enthusiast doesnt take one fresh off the production line and complain that their 48hp 1-litre actually only has 46.9... this reportedly holds true for the G, too, with completely stock units being a bit variable and up to maybe 130bhp in some cases.

(for the GT - 55kW at 5900rpm, limiter 6800, and 100Nm at 3200-3400 or thereabouts. Translating into 75bhp and 72lbft... more horses but not much more torque than the CL... however the CL's torque drops off quite badly in the higher revs. Doesn't sound like much compared to a lot of new cars, e.g. the Pug 1007, but it's far lighter than them, and again undersold... even a badly kept 1991 GT will utterly destroy something modern being sold as having the same power output)

4. ehehehe....... money..... well a polo is a pretty solid, reliable car, but still not the cheapest to run. Mod parts other than the most standard things can be a bit hard and pricey to come by as companies focus more on puntos, novas/corsas, clios/saxos, fiestas/escorts/focuses, golfs etc, and the later polo models, because the mk3-and-earlier market is pretty small. Putting the effort in, you can make it look fantastic, but it wont be the local wideboy's usual trip down to halfords to pick up some £199 alloys, tinfoil spoiler, stick-on sideskirts and some w*nkerlights. Then again you might well be used to this.
Another thing you might be used to, is that a fair bit of the cash will go into pampering and preserving the charger. The G-lader (supercharger) comes under quite a lot of stress and arguably needs more careful and frequent attention than the engine proper does. It is "not unknown" for them to blow out, and with every one that does so, the total live-charger and potential spares pool takes a hit as they're no longer being made AFAIK. Cash poured into places like pitstop or jabba to look after them professionally is considered well spent. The G shouldn't really be considered a daily driver, for this alone, as it will be out of commission whilst the work is going on.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:36 pm
by captain_starlet
wow nice one man, great help.
id love one, but gettin a low mileage one is hard.
plus i dont wanna annoy madmanmike even though he said he dont mind me gettin one when he blaitently does, plus i dont wana get rid of the starlet as its unique and grown to love it more than anything but needs alot of work,, its not noticeable but cv'joints have gone, turbo blown, re-spray needed, more mods needed eg fmic and stuff wich will cos more than kittin out a g40 to get it faster than me gt atm. stuffed, dunno!!!
cheers anyway!

and more SENSIBLE answers please.... mike

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:31 am
by MadManMike
My opinion:

I really couldn't care less if you got one mate, I don't really care "Who's faster"...

And if I were you i'd keep the starlet until you have a bit more cash, because as said, they are pricey to keep running!

I'm not getting a GT for a while now anyway so go for it :D

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:31 pm
by Karl_CLCoupe
Hi there!

There's plenty of potential in G40s. Out of the box they come with 113bhp and identical amounts of torque. With the various options available, its not impossible to see up to 250 bhp from them. A popular modification now seems to be the use of an Eaton M45 supercharger from a mini cooper s. this can go a fair way to giving better power, when coupled with larger injectors, cams, exhausts, etc.

Be warned though, the motre power you get out of your G40, the more high maintenance it may well become. G40s aren't quite the cheapest things to maintain especially if you are doing things properly.

If you fancy getting a few more oppinions, maybe pop over to http://www.pitstopdevelopments.com/forum and have a natter with some of the G40 owners on there.

Hope this is of some use to you. :D

Karl.

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:40 pm
by MadManMike
Yeah man you say the Starlet is pricey to keep, I reckon they would cost roughly the same.

Both very sweet cars... The Starlet is marginally better as it has the pop-up mirror :lol: for the passenger who's slightly self-conscious. Not forgetting the authentic Japanese coins found in the ash-tray after importing...

Nah seriously, both well sweet and i'd be happy to own either (Or both :twisted: )

For now I stick to a humble GT.

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:29 pm
by captain_starlet
well after hours of research and late nights studdying them ive come to the decisio of keeping the starlet and getting it faf
(fast as f**k) with me payrise it'll be all good!!
as much as id love a g40 to mod etc ill cry for weeks if the starlet went.

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:16 pm
by Alex_6n2
the starlet GT i drive does about 10mpg running 189BHP so with new fuel prices a polo mite be just slightly cheaper lol

i hope your getting it resprayed in the original Black wit metal flake as its the only job thats good for it imho, however if yours is like my mates, and is a jap import, the roof will more than likly have flaked etc when in the hot weather over there, watch where you take it to get done coz the job here was absolutly shocking :/ its not always as straight forward as simple respray coz the metal can go dodgey too

they are nice cars if you want to go quickly and then say "ha my engine is smaller than yours" but they can break quiet often if you drive it hard all the time and have one thats slightly dodgey, the also look like sheds unless you get a nice kit and some decent wheels

a polo is by far the better car in so many ways and you do realise you could get a mint Starlet off Auto Trader for only a litter over what yours is gna cost to repair :lol:

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:27 am
by Tahrey1043
250 from 1272ccs = high maintenance? y'dont say :D
(well even if its from 1341cc, 1398cc or whatever you can bore/stroke it out to, its still an unnatural level of power - such as your more reliable, less fussy/maintenance-heavy 62hp attests..)

thats an awesome amount though, i'd missed on the whole eaton charger thing and was scratching head going "huh?" til you filled in the gaps... so the 200hp line has been full sore breached... cool :)

gawd, 250hp in an 800kg car? thats mega...... ferrari type performance i should think, or certainly aston martin (who might put 500hp in a 1600kg or heavier car)

edit: "ha my engine is smaller than yours" --- they're only about 950cc due to some racing rule governing turbo engines as having 1.7x the effective capacity as a normal aspirated car or something? ... suppose that means they break about as often as a g40, too.
/could be thinking of really old skool micra here
/still getting all knowledge from video games
/still calling computer consoles "video games"

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:38 pm
by captain_starlet
yeah u can get a mint starbo gt off trader for just under 3k but its gonna be bog standard, mines got 2k of mods on it and the only bodywork its had done is lowering, alloys, and tinted all round.
yeah 349bhp (fly) has been achived in aussie.0-60 3.89 secs! savage machine!!!!
so will mine be, but not 350 horsies.
ill aim for 230-250 hp from my 180 hp at the moment it will be easy, its just a case of money. a metal head gasket might be required too :roll:
ill try 300 hp when i can afford a day to day car aswell as a toy.

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:51 pm
by Tahrey1043
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

that's NOT an 850cc then, surely....... what is it? :D

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:48 pm
by captain_starlet
naaah man, its a 1.3 1331cc.

the charade gtti are 1.0 998cc

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:54 pm
by Tahrey1043
180 from that capacity is still very respectable .... as the G requires quite a bit of work for that power

mid 200s is pretty :shock: for 1331cc :D

but, japanese engine, i'm betting you have to reach for about 8000rpm to get that output (hence the 10mpg..) and there's punt-all torque at city revs ;)