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tips for a faster polo

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:12 pm
by emuni
hey guys,

i'm sure everyone here has been fed up at some point with the lack of oomph the 8v graces you with every time you put your foot down.

i'm sure most of you have done something about it, the question i'm asking is, what mods actually make a difference?

do things like cams etc make much of a difference? what about manifolds? or exhausts? or throttle bodies?


i'm quite a noob so any feedback is appreciated :)

thanks!

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:30 pm
by JarnoVWPolo6N
It's not in just 1 mod that will make your standard engine a race-monster, or even give you a farely noticeble amount of extra power, it's always in a combination of factors that will really change the "character" of your engine.

My 'old' set-up was:
-camshaft from a mk3 Polo GT (219 degrees duration instead of the original 188)
-fuelpressure raised to 2,5 Bar
-cold-air inlet with ram-air function
- 4-2-1 exhaustmanifold
-de-cat muffler
-50mm diamtere GTI free-flow endmuffler

The set-up I'm working on right now will be:
-camshaft from Schrick (268 degrees duration)
-fuelpressure raised to 3,5Bar (the maximum the original fuel-pump can give)
-same cold air inlet with ram-air function
-inletmanifold from a Golf mk3 1.6 engine (bigger bores)
-cilinderhead from a mk4 Polo 1.6 (bigger diameter inletvalves and channels)
-higher compressionratio
- 4-2-1 exhaustmanifold
-de-cat muffler
-50mm diamtere GTI free-flow endmuffler

Hoping to get a lot of 'fun' from this set-up :roll: :lol:

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:15 pm
by JoeG07
lol wish i was good with engines half of what you've said may as well have been in dutch lol

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:38 am
by Hardcore
and how much did it cost you to get all this if you dont mind me asking. id like to get a bit more power from mine. dont really wana take the cat off cus can mess your feul imisions up cant it? and im sure its illegal in england:S:S:S

did you fit these to your ccar yourself to? cus i would have to go to agarage lool. im not a mechanic unfortunetly:(

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:55 pm
by JarnoVWPolo6N
Hardcore wrote:and how much did it cost you to get all this if you dont mind me asking. id like to get a bit more power from mine. dont really wana take the cat off cus can mess your feul imisions up cant it? and im sure its illegal in england:S:S:S

did you fit these to your ccar yourself to? cus i would have to go to agarage lool. im not a mechanic unfortunetly:(
I'm no mechanic myself either, I'm still in college :roll:

Catalyst is also illegal te remove here in Holland too, but I've made it so that I can swap it back in just couple of minutes, no problems there 8)

Costs, well, haven't thought of that, but I guess I've spend around a 1000 euro's on it all, dunno how that is in pounds, but it aint that much, it's all cheap to get on Ebay :wink:

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:53 pm
by JoeG07
jarno tell me will a 4-1 exhaust manifold make any difference? and is it much of a job to fit?

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:20 pm
by JarnoVWPolo6N
JoeG07 wrote:jarno tell me will a 4-1 exhaust manifold make any difference? and is it much of a job to fit?
It will make a difference, combine it with an induction kit, and it will be a fairly noticible difference (adding a cam from a mk3 GT will complete the picture, at a fair price :wink: since they aren't that expensive on Ebay)

Fitting it depends on the state of your old manifold. If the bolts are heavily corroded, then it's a bit harder, just make sure to heat they good (put some fire on it) and don't force they to much, since you don't want broken bolts there :wink:

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:30 pm
by Hardcore
ar thats about 600£ then. soo how much qicker does it mek it? lyk top speed..acceleration or what?

what wud u kep up with. im just thinking about is it worth me spending all this money on my car you see to get a litlle differece, or would it shock people and strand out above many other cars lol.

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:01 pm
by JoeG07
tlaking to my mate ealier who said he spent over a grand on his engine in his calibra, and although it makes it a fair bit faster its still slow, he said if you want real performance gains whack in a better engine lol.

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:36 pm
by JarnoVWPolo6N
Of course putting in a 1.8 20v T with 225 bhp standard is a much bigger gain then you'll ever get from a standard 1.3 or 1.4 or even 1.6 16v GTI, but that's a lot more work and costs a whole lot more money (plus it's risky with your insurance)

The easiest gain in BHP is to just put in a 1.6 16v GTI engine, that's a double of BHP compared to a 1.4 8v. To get that kind of a gain with moddin' your 1.4 8v is very expensive.

But it's cheaper to just put in a (for instance) 270 degree duration cam, put on a 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, a good induction kit and install a fuel-pressure regulator. Buy all this stuff on Ebay chepaly, and you'll laugh your arse off when you see your total price-tag compared to buying and putting in a 1.6 16v GTI block. I know a gut here in HOlland who has just put in a 1.4 8v, modded it by himself with some second-handed parts and is now putting out over 100 BHP (he also put on motorbike-carburators, which is a good gain in performance, it's a lot like multiple-throttlebodies) and it didn't cost that much.

About the Calibra, first of all, Vauxhall suck :wink: (just kiddin') but Calibra's are as heavy as f*ck, so if you gain 10 BHP, that 10 bHP still has to drag that car weighing over 1000kg across the road, gaining 10 BHP in a 850kg Polo, will be more fun then in that Calibra, it's all in the BHP-tper-kilogram ratio's boys :wink:

Don't stair yourself blind on BHP, take a Toyota Landcruiser for instance (my dad drives one) the thing has 170 BHP, which is almost as much as a Golf mk3 VR6, but a VR6 is much faster, both on acceleration and top-speed, why? The bloody Landcruiser is a g*dd*mn heavy-weight, while theGolf mk3 VR6 is a lot "lighter", and therefor a lot quicker.

And to answer hardcore's question, I can't give you any numbers of gains in BHP's from a cam and manifold, it's all dependent of the state of your engine, and of course what brands of stuff you buy, or what duration cam, what valvelift of the cam etc. etc.
But I can promiss you, gaining 10% in performance in a mk4 Polo is a lot better to feel and enjoy and a whole lot easier (and cheaper) to gain then a 10% gain in performance in a Calibra :wink:


So why did I spend around 600 pound on my 1.3 engine? Just to get it that bit faster (it won't ever go faster then around 200km/h, since my gearbox will then just make the engine go into the red revs) and accelerate much faster, at a cheap price (cheaper then buying anonther engine (for instance 1.4 16v 101 bhp) which I don't know the state of) and it's a great learning experience, which is a major reason for me. Now I can almost take apart my entire engine, put it back together and it still runs :roll:

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:34 pm
by LeMeph
Youve only spent 600 quid! I must say sir you do know where the bargains are at i thought it was heading more into a grand lol.

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:42 pm
by Hardcore
sound sound. thin ill do the same modds as you. what cars can you keep up with lyk??

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:26 pm
by david burton
Jarno, have you ever had your car on a rolling road?

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:35 pm
by JarnoVWPolo6N
The engine isn't put together yet boys :wink: I'm still working on it, so no rolling road results etcetera so far :wink:

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:36 am
by Hardcore
oooo i get you now lol. i thort you had your enginee in. sorry haha