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FIS and Climatic to climatronic
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:29 am
by chinnus
This ebay seller seems to have a FIS display and a climatronic
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQdfspZ1QQf ... Zbora19tdi
in his auctions
I have read the previous posts to climatic to climatronic and it sort of died away I really want to do this mod and am wondering if it is just a straight change? if anyone has any pictures of them doing it or something? I have elsawin so will check that out now
cheers guys
Below is the pin outs from elsawin so guess it is not compatable unless some severe engineering is done
Climatronic PINS
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:47 am
by chinnus
Pin assignment for multi-pin connectors A, B and C on back of Climatronic control unit
12-pin connector, connector housing -A-
3 - Control and regulating unit for air conditioning -J127- for fan actuation
4 - Fan feedback signal (-)
5 - Fan feedback signal (+)
8 - Sunlight penetration photosensor -G107-
9 - CAN high (optional)
10 - CAN low (optional)
20-pin connector, connector housing -B-
1 - Temperature flap control motor -V68-
2 - Temperature flap control motor -V68-
3 - Defroster flap control motor -V107-
4 - Defroster flap control motor -V107-
5 - Signal earth, control motors
6 - Central flap control motor -V70-
7 - Central flap control motor -V70-
8 - Air flow flap control motor -V71-
9 - Air flow flap control motor -V71-
11 - Centre vent temperature sender -G191-
12 - Footwell vent temperature sender -G192-
13 - Fresh air intake duct temperature sensor -G89-
14 - + 5V 10 mA for control motors
15 - Evaporator out-flow temperature sender -G263-
16 - Temperature flap control motor potentiometer -G92-
17 - Defroster flap control motor potentiometer -G135-
18 - Central flap control motor potentiometer -G112-
19 - Air flow flap control motor potentiometer -G113-
16-pin connector, connector housing -C-
2 - Sunlight penetration photosensor -G107-
4 - Air conditioner compressor regulating valve -N280-
7 - High pressure sender -G65-
8 - Fan speed 1, radiator fan control unit -J293-
9 - Fan speed 2, radiator fan control unit -J293-
12 - Terminal 30 (optional)
13 - Terminal 31
14 - Terminal 31
15 - Terminal 15
Climatic Pins
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:48 am
by chinnus
Pin assignment for multi-pin connectors A, B and C on back of controls for heating and air conditioning, Climatic
5-pin connector, connector housing -A-
1 - 4th blower speed
2 - 3rd blower speed
3 - 2nd blower speed
4 - 1st blower speed
5 - Terminal -X- contact
16-pin connector, connector housing -B-
1 - High pressure sender -G65-
3 - Radiator fan V7 and V35 relay - 1st speed -J279-
6 - Radiator fan V7 and V35 relay - 2nd speed -J513-
8 - CAN high (optional)
11 - CAN low (optional)
13 - Terminal 31
14 - Terminal 15
15 - Air conditioner compressor regulating valve -N280-
16 - Terminal 30 (optional)
18-pin connector, connector housing -C-
2 - Centre vent temperature sender -G191-
3 - Evaporator out-flow temperature sender -G263-
4 - Signal earth for vent temperature sender
5 - Footwell vent temperature sender -G192-
7 - Signal earth for control motor potentiometer
10 - Temperature flap control motor potentiometer -G92-
11 - + 5V 10 mA for control motor potentiometer
12 - Air recirculation flap control motor potentiometer -G143-
13 - Temperature flap control motor -V68-
15 - Fresh/recirculated air flap control motor -V154-
16 - Temperature flap control motor -V68-
18 - Fresh/recirculated air flap control motor -V154-
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:59 pm
by daa709
Dude, if you manage this, you will all of a sudden become very popular!
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:39 pm
by chinnus
i am working on it dont you worry!! Elsawin is prooving to be very useful tool ??? Does anyone know the origins of this software did someone steal it or something??
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:19 pm
by sylvester
Have a look at the parts for the 2 systems, looks like they are different especially the heater unit due to additional flap motors in the climatronic system.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:35 pm
by daa709
Hows this coming along?
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:40 pm
by RUM4MO
Elsawin is VW's workshop manuals in digital form. So the ones that you can buy from ebay will be copies of back-up discs - but they are very helpful - would be even better I think if they were legal registered copies as then you could check up some of the archived "fixes".
Upgrading Climatic to Climatronic - well any thing is possible but this mod would probably cost £1000 (I'm guessing) as there is no easy way of doing this. One system is just a heater with control of the water flow through the matrix + a chiller, the other is an integrated full function A/C unit - with that comes control of air direction/distribution - ie flap motors and not just manual bowden cable air divertors - sorry!!
Once the car is a few years old you will be smuggly pleased that you did not specify Climatronic as changing the ever failing flap motors seems to be a diy bit of a pain, or a garage wallet wrecker. My Passat is telling me it wants one - maybe some day, luckily the Polo has not reached this stage yet!