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1.8t 20v
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:12 pm
by will
Hi
I'm currently toying with the idea of turning our little shopping trolley into a sleeper. Have had a look through the archives and it would appear that only 1 person on here (Lee) has done this - is that correct?
If so, does anyone know of a good place to find out more about the options available (eg. what engine choices / where to buy / what companies offer the service / how much / how long etc.etc.etc.
Am looking forward to turning our gti into a complete sleeper. Hopefully ready for next summer.
cheers
will
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:31 pm
by lee s3 plo
best place to do it is the phrim really helpfull make u feel at home and welcome anytime. tim, paul ,jelly and laura good bunch of people well into the v -dubs as well ! Tim is the mastermind behind it all , ask him anything bout vw s he will tel u down to the last bolt, He is doin my car as we speak !
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:47 pm
by will
lee s3 plo wrote:best place to do it is the phrim really helpfull make u feel at home and welcome anytime. tim, paul ,jelly and laura good bunch of people well into the v -dubs as well ! Tim is the mastermind behind it all , ask him anything bout vw s he will tel u down to the last bolt, He is doin my car as we speak !
Lee
Funny you should mention the phirm as they are the one company I've spoken to (today). I've arranged to go and see them on Saturday week, but thought I'd put some questions up here at the same time.
If your car is there on Sat week I'll no doubt see it
Did they source the engine/loom/box etc. for you? If not, where did you get it from (what engine are you getting and what other mods are you doing?).
cheers
will
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:09 am
by Tim_GTi
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:57 am
by lee s3 plo
its been done since last year now my cae prob still be there its havin a full engine rebuild with je piston and conrods ready for the big turbo conversion early next year
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:37 pm
by tomo87
there is only nick's mk5 and my mk5....lee's is a mk4
the phirm did do a mk5 but im not sure what happened to it, it all depends on how much you want to pay to get it done.
i have gone through a friends specialist VAG performance garage and ive got a very very good deal due to sourcing the right parts.
would never want to put anyone off but.....its not an easy swap and not something to be done in 2 weeks!
any more info then just ask, as ive played a large part in my conversion
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:55 pm
by will
tomo87 wrote:there is only nick's mk5 and my mk5....lee's is a mk4
the phirm did do a mk5 but im not sure what happened to it, it all depends on how much you want to pay to get it done.
i have gone through a friends specialist VAG performance garage and ive got a very very good deal due to sourcing the right parts.
would never want to put anyone off but.....its not an easy swap and not something to be done in 2 weeks!
any more info then just ask, as ive played a large part in my conversion
What engine options are available?
What is perceived to be the best choice for conversion in terms of ease of install?
What is required to be purchased for the conversion?
Any recommended places to get the conversion components from?
How much do the component parts cost (roughly)?
FWIW The Phirm quoted me around £6k (ish) for total cost - that includes the engine/box etc. but I would have to provide it. Time taken would be 6-8wks.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:01 pm
by tomo87
will wrote:tomo87 wrote:there is only nick's mk5 and my mk5....lee's is a mk4
the phirm did do a mk5 but im not sure what happened to it, it all depends on how much you want to pay to get it done.
i have gone through a friends specialist VAG performance garage and ive got a very very good deal due to sourcing the right parts.
would never want to put anyone off but.....its not an easy swap and not something to be done in 2 weeks!
any more info then just ask, as ive played a large part in my conversion
What engine options are available?
What is perceived to be the best choice for conversion in terms of ease of install?
What is required to be purchased for the conversion?
Any recommended places to get the conversion components from?
How much do the component parts cost (roughly)?
FWIW The Phirm quoted me around £6k (ish) for total cost - that includes the engine/box etc. but I would have to provide it. Time taken would be 6-8wks.
like i said there are only 2 or 3 in existence of mk5...so the info you get will be not great realy.
engines available - best to use either the BAM 1.8t engine from the TT or S3 or the 1.8t engine from the Ibiza cupra or the Golf GTI
(i used an ibiza cupra and bought the whole crashed/damage car which made life easier)
you are going to need custom mounts, downpipe and maybe driveshafts.....
as for where to get these bits i can only recomend the places we have used and i expect TSR who did nicks conversion made their own components. the wiring is a nightmare too due to the different looms and ECU's and you will obviously need to think about what re-map to go for
thats about the going rate for a conversion...thank god i didnt pay that much! also that is about the length of time too
dont forget you will be needing coilovers, brakes....
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:49 pm
by lee s3 plo
the phrims mk5 is there u will see it when u go there its my best mates car and it is havinng 4 wheel drive conversion the best engines r the 225 or 210 engine codes ayp or aum they r all pretty much the same but the 225 has forge pistons but tim will explain that to u just depends on what money u have. but i really reconmend havin this done as it will put a smile on ur face everytime u drive it trust me there not for the faint hearted !!
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:17 am
by bbspolo
4wd????????????????
u guys are nuts! how are they sorting that then? just lots of cutting prop tunnels and fitting golf rally box and rear end? wonder what thats costing?
would love to see some pics if your mate doesnt mind?
a few questions about your 20v conversions if u dont mind?
is there some were that makes up the engine mounts and driveshafts?
what fuel pump do u use?
err sure i have some more but cant rember at the moment! lol
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:45 am
by Josh_polo
bbspolo wrote:4wd????????????????
u guys are nuts! how are they sorting that then? just lots of cutting prop tunnels and fitting golf rally box and rear end? wonder what thats costing?
would love to see some pics if your mate doesnt mind?
Ive been there and sen it
proper sleeper!!!
Im pretty sure theyre using an s3 rear end IIRC.
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:13 pm
by bbspolo
what about room for the prop???
would rearly be intrested in this but not if it means chopping big chunks out of my gti!
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:17 pm
by tomo87
bbspolo...you would need custom mounts
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:28 pm
by chrischap2003
tomo87 wrote:will wrote:tomo87 wrote:there is only nick's mk5 and my mk5....lee's is a mk4
the phirm did do a mk5 but im not sure what happened to it, it all depends on how much you want to pay to get it done.
i have gone through a friends specialist VAG performance garage and ive got a very very good deal due to sourcing the right parts.
would never want to put anyone off but.....its not an easy swap and not something to be done in 2 weeks!
any more info then just ask, as ive played a large part in my conversion
What engine options are available?
What is perceived to be the best choice for conversion in terms of ease of install?
What is required to be purchased for the conversion?
Any recommended places to get the conversion components from?
How much do the component parts cost (roughly)?
FWIW The Phirm quoted me around £6k (ish) for total cost - that includes the engine/box etc. but I would have to provide it. Time taken would be 6-8wks.
like i said there are only 2 or 3 in existence of mk5...so the info you get will be not great realy.
engines available - best to use either the BAM 1.8t engine from the TT or S3 or the 1.8t engine from the Ibiza cupra or the Golf GTI
(i used an ibiza cupra and bought the whole crashed/damage car which made life easier)
you are going to need custom mounts, downpipe and maybe driveshafts.....
as for where to get these bits i can only recomend the places we have used and i expect TSR who did nicks conversion made their own components. the wiring is a nightmare too due to the different looms and ECU's and you will obviously need to think about what re-map to go for
thats about the going rate for a conversion...thank god i didnt pay that much! also that is about the length of time too
dont forget you will be needing coilovers, brakes....
Do TSR provide custom mounts, downpipe and driveshaft on request without fitting?
I am seriously looking into selling my Gti and buying an older Gti to get a BAM engine conversion completed.
Only thing real thing that will be challenging is the wiring, do you have hints or tips? are you able to wire in the exsisting clocks or do you need doner clocks?
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:39 pm
by tomo87
chrischap2003 wrote:tomo87 wrote:will wrote:
What engine options are available?
What is perceived to be the best choice for conversion in terms of ease of install?
What is required to be purchased for the conversion?
Any recommended places to get the conversion components from?
How much do the component parts cost (roughly)?
FWIW The Phirm quoted me around £6k (ish) for total cost - that includes the engine/box etc. but I would have to provide it. Time taken would be 6-8wks.
like i said there are only 2 or 3 in existence of mk5...so the info you get will be not great realy.
engines available - best to use either the BAM 1.8t engine from the TT or S3 or the 1.8t engine from the Ibiza cupra or the Golf GTI
(i used an ibiza cupra and bought the whole crashed/damage car which made life easier)
you are going to need custom mounts, downpipe and maybe driveshafts.....
as for where to get these bits i can only recomend the places we have used and i expect TSR who did nicks conversion made their own components. the wiring is a nightmare too due to the different looms and ECU's and you will obviously need to think about what re-map to go for
thats about the going rate for a conversion...thank god i didnt pay that much! also that is about the length of time too
dont forget you will be needing coilovers, brakes....
Do TSR provide custom mounts, downpipe and driveshaft on request without fitting?
I am seriously looking into selling my Gti and buying an older Gti to get a BAM engine conversion completed.
Only thing real thing that will be challenging is the wiring, do you have hints or tips? are you able to wire in the exsisting clocks or do you need doner clocks?
i dont know anything about TSR, they did nicks conversion. Mine is being done at APD performance. i didnt need custom driveshafts as i supplied a whole car.
the wiring is probably the most difficult part, we have gone down the route of using the whole ibiza loom but i think nick's was done differently at TSR. I have managed to keep my original GTI clocks too after sending away the ibiza ECU to REVO for "immobilise and defeat"