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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by ciclo » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:01 pm

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Tips/advices

It is of the utmost importance:
- The contact terminal must be in perfect condition and perfectly crimped to the wire. Microscopic protrusions in the terminal structure due to crimp, can make it impossible to insert the terminal. Especially when having to exceed the groove for the violet/pink locking mechanism.
- Insert the contact terminal into the slot as straight as possible.
- Never damage the plastic structure of the slot due to trying to push the terminal with tools for removing terminals.

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It's a task that you must take with great patience, the results are worth it. Good luck.

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by constantine.shmartov » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:55 am

Rycho wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:41 pm
From my knowledge CC is supported from x87 upwards. You would need to change BCM as well.
Prise for that part includes new stalks and cables. You can make cables yourself and buy only stalks to lower prise... even more buttons can be made cheaper, there are no chips inside just one diode (if you can accept cheaper look)
Unfortunatelly you cant skip BCM replacement if you have x86 and want to have original one. You can search for used BCM (from cars after accidents). If you want to confirm it, disconnect battery and than first socket from BCM and you will see missing pins in place CC would go.

You can also go different route not described here and get CC which plugs to gas pedal + odb socket. In such case ODB2 is used to read speed and voltage from gas pedal is simulated.

Summary for CC pins in ECU:
1.2 TSI and 1.4TSI are using pin 45
1.6 MPI pin 24
1.2 HTP pin 69
1.6 TDI pin 64

Hey, i have 2010 fabia 1.9tdi manual, i retrofitted cruise control. Diagrams show t81a/pin 14 is for the white wire.
But once i looked at it its taken by black/light green colored wire. All the rest is installed, the stalk buttons work , checked via vcds. Do you have an idea how to solve it?

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by exantas » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:07 am

Are you sure you follow the correct instructions?

Diesel engine cars should connected to pin 64 on the ECU according to Skoda instructions

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mygv331ps7r7z ... s.pdf?dl=0





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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:18 pm

Hi. My name is Mateus, I'm from Brazil and I have a Up! TSI and I'm trying to install cruise control. As most of one knows that the Up and 6R shares many of components, I bought the ccs wiring for polo on aliexpress and I have installed in the car, but before I change the Long coding on BCM and ECU appears these errors. I'm using the pin 45 on ECU. The switch ON/CANCEL/OFF doesn't send or receive signal according to VCDS but RESET and SET buttons are working appearing actived when I press them. Someone can help me?
Measuring blocks
LOC / Description / Actual
IDE00355-ENG57549 / Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bits 0-7 / 200
IDE00356-ENG57549 / Cruise Control System (CCS): switch position-Bits 0-7 / 2

Code: Select all

[Chassis Type: 12-VW12 (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 09 10 15 17 19 25 44 5F

VIN: 9BWAH4127LT501299   Mileage: 8610km-5350miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CYTA)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 04C 906 026 CD    HW: 04C 907 309 AD
   Component: R3 1.0l TFS   H24 5790  
   Revision: WDH24---    
   Coding: 01110012232400000000
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026CD 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026CD.rod
   VCID: 65CBEC566461CF6734-8030

1 Fault Found:
4482 - Function Restriction due to Implausible Message(s) 
          U1112 00 [036] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 8614 km
                    Date: 2020.03.17
                    Time: 00:07:25

                    Engine speed: 1906.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 8.6 %
                    Vehicle speed: 44 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 61 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 33 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 890 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.277 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bits 0-7: 8
                    Accelerator pedal travel: 0.00 %
                    Cruise Control System (CCS): switch position-Bits 0-7: 2

Readiness: 1010 0001

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 1S0 614 117 T    HW: 1S0 614 117 T
   Component: EBC 460 MABS  H26 0400  
   Serial number: 9469654
   Coding: 12DF24E32AEF1054489C241354FE0840580100
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00218
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ABSEBC460TRW 001003
   ROD: EV_Brake1ABSEBC460TRW_VW12.rod
   VCID: 3C7D6932B76BAEAFBB-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 089 C    HW: 7E0 937 089 C
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI4 H82 0762  
   Revision: BB082001    Serial number: 55227337180532
   Coding: 3AA92B0004A90600108800007C0ABC80F58062BC60860050220100420800
   Shop #: WSC 01234 003 00001
   VCID: 336F420E923561D76A-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5Z0 947 105 E
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  003 0008 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 18D 959 442     HW: 18D 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-YLG  H01 0130 
   Serial number: 000000000A0351131218
   Coding: 200000

1 Fault Found:
00895 - Cruise Control Switch (E45) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 17
                    Mileage: 8614 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.03.17
                    Time: 00:07:26


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 1Sx-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 1SB 919 475 A    HW: 1Q0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 3K  H03 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 18081905015345
   Coding: 108005
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00218
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14VW120LA00 001001
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14VW120LA00.rod
   VCID: 4A913FEAEDBF001F39-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 1SB 959 655 B    HW: 1SB 959 655 B
   Component: VW10AirbagSAL 010 0007  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003ER3007XEF
   Coding: 00000000000000000000000000000000414C
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
   VCID: 4FA72EFE16DD25376E-801A

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3557BRB405F5DHVK2PA1

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 1Sx-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1SB 920 870     HW: 1SB 920 870 
   Component: KOMBI         H31 0053  
   Revision: X0031003    Serial number:               
   Coding: 814A000000
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00218
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10 A05808
   ROD: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10_A05_VW12.rod
   VCID: 55ABDC9634015FE7A4-8000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 089 C
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0762  
   Revision: BB082001    
   Coding: 001201
   Shop #: WSC 01234 003 00001
   VCID: 68D5E5629B73D20F0F-803C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 1SB 920 870 
   Component: IMMO          H31 0053  
   Revision: X0031003    Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10 A01702
   ROD: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10_VW12.rod
   VCID: 6AD19F6A8D7FE01F19-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
   Part No SW: 1S1 909 144 P    HW: 1S1 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ECU       H51 1702  
   Coding: 0000000001010000
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00218
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 014008
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_014.rod
   VCID: 40851DC2DB83CA4FE7-8014

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 035 871     HW: 1S0 035 871 
   Component: MU-E--EU      070 7338  
   Serial number: 18011900020670
   Coding: 02210000BE00000041220001011020001F0000C40001010001
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001032
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW12.rod
   VCID: 6CDD9972878BFE2F6B-8038

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:52)--------------------------

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by iichel » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:15 pm

Are you sure pin 45 is the correct pin on your ECU?

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:37 pm

iichel wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:15 pm
Are you sure pin 45 is the correct pin on your ECU?
I'm not 100% sure. I talk with a guy that told me that he installed ccs on a 2016 Speed Up! TSI in this pin and worked, but he tried on the same version that mine and doesn't worked. he use a 6R 1.2 tsi diagram and photos on this forum as base like me. The link below shows what happens with buttons and we don't have the official diagram for this car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDzbaao2tNI

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by ciclo » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:42 am

Hello Mateus. Welcome.

It is highly likely that the T94/45 pin is not the one indicated for CCS in your ECU (CYTA). I don't have the official diagrams for this ECU because it is a specific engine unit for Brazil and probably other places other than Europe.

However, due to the different generations of ECUs used for petrol engines (R3 1.0 TSI) there are two more likely ECU pins for CCS:
- First try the T94/56 pin (CHxx --->) and if it doesn't work try the T94/61 pin (---> DKxx).

Good Luck!

Please report the results. Thanks.

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The behavior of the switches you have shown is normal when the communication is not correct (it is not the correct ECU pin).
BCM = YES but ECU = NOT.

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:02 pm

ciclo wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:42 am
Hello Mateus. Welcome.

It is highly likely that the T94/45 pin is not the one indicated for CCS in your ECU (CYTA). I don't have the official diagrams for this ECU because it is a specific engine unit for Brazil and probably other places other than Europe.

However, due to the different generations of ECUs used for petrol engines (R3 1.0 TSI) there are two more likely ECU pins for CCS:
- First try the T94/56 pin (CHxx --->) and if it doesn't work try the T94/61 pin (---> DKxx).

Good Luck!

Please report the results. Thanks.

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The behavior of the switches you have shown is normal when the communication is not correct (it is not the correct ECU pin).
BCM = YES but ECU = NOT.
Hi everyone.

I've tried to fit the pin on /56 and /61 and... unfortunately nothing has been changed . The main switch continue to appear off, the cancel button appear off too and the bits continue out of standard and the same values on the video. I was thinking if it can't be something related to the software, because my software version 04C 906 026 CD and another up that I've scanned has 04C 906 026 J version (but doesn't have CCS too) and in CD version my vcds can't read the long coding helper and in J version can, the hardware its the same version on both. Another guy told me to test on pin 62, but I decide to talk to you first and wait. I guess that is possible that problem is related with the software, I don't have any friend that have a Up! equipped with CCS to do the compare the wiring position or software version.

PS: I'm sorry if my english is not good to understand, but I'm learning to get fluent one day. :D

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by ciclo » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 am

R3 1.0 TSI CYTA engine is a version sold in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, among others (American countries), I have the wiring diagrams for all the UP versions except for your engine.🤷‍♂️

MPI versions = T56/29 (up) or T94/23 (polo 6C).
TSI versions = T94/56 or T94/61
* Depends on manufacturing dates. (and ECU type)

The most likely for your engine due to the manufacturing dates is 56.

Your CD software is more up to date than J, I think both versions of software support CCS.
I don't think it's pin 62, maybe in the following link the one that tried to help you meant pin 61.
https://www.upownersclub.co.uk/threads/ ... ost-129609

According to the VCDS reading the fault is in the wiring, or ECU pin.
Please make an exact drawing of the wiring you have installed.

I suppose to insert the pin into the ECU connector you first removed the pink / purple / vilolet locking mechanism. It is a common mistake because it appears that the pin is inserted but it really is not inserted if you did not remove the locking mechanism. (read this thread) viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65431&start=285#p562849

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:37 pm

ciclo wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 am
R3 1.0 TSI CYTA engine is a version sold in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, among others (American countries), I have the wiring diagrams for all the UP versions except for your engine.🤷‍♂️

MPI versions = T56/29 (up) or T94/23 (polo 6C).
TSI versions = T94/56 or T94/61
* Depends on manufacturing dates. (and ECU type)

The most likely for your engine due to the manufacturing dates is 56.

Your CD software is more up to date than J, I think both versions of software support CCS.
I don't think it's pin 62, maybe in the following link the one that tried to help you meant pin 61.
https://www.upownersclub.co.uk/threads/ ... ost-129609

According to the VCDS reading the fault is in the wiring, or ECU pin.
Please make an exact drawing of the wiring you have installed.

I suppose to insert the pin into the ECU connector you first removed the pink / purple / vilolet locking mechanism. It is a common mistake because it appears that the pin is inserted but it really is not inserted if you did not remove the locking mechanism. (read this thread) viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65431&start=285#p562849
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I've used this diagram to install the CCS with diferences at terminal fuse, that was inserted on a terminal that was ready to use but without any fuse so, I put the pin and a 5A fuse on terminal 28 or 29, I don't remember well, and the pin on ECU before what you told me to do. I removed de locking mechanism before to insert the pin and put back and checked if it was locked. Before to install the wiring, I have tested the continuity and it was working. This is more difficult that I was thinking.

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:33 pm

ciclo wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 am
R3 1.0 TSI CYTA engine is a version sold in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, among others (American countries), I have the wiring diagrams for all the UP versions except for your engine.🤷‍♂️

MPI versions = T56/29 (up) or T94/23 (polo 6C).
TSI versions = T94/56 or T94/61
* Depends on manufacturing dates. (and ECU type)

The most likely for your engine due to the manufacturing dates is 56.

Your CD software is more up to date than J, I think both versions of software support CCS.
I don't think it's pin 62, maybe in the following link the one that tried to help you meant pin 61.
https://www.upownersclub.co.uk/threads/ ... ost-129609

According to the VCDS reading the fault is in the wiring, or ECU pin.
Please make an exact drawing of the wiring you have installed.

I suppose to insert the pin into the ECU connector you first removed the pink / purple / vilolet locking mechanism. It is a common mistake because it appears that the pin is inserted but it really is not inserted if you did not remove the locking mechanism. (read this thread) viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65431&start=285#p562849
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That is the diagram that I have used. The diferences are on the terminal at fusebox that i insert on terminal 28 or 29 ( I don't remember well) and the pin on ecu that was 45 like polo 1.2 tsi. I've tested the continuity of wiring before install it and it was working. Do you think if the fuse terminal can be one of the problems? Because that is the biggest difference compared with the wiring. I removed the locking mechanism before insert the pin and after insert the locking mechanism I checked if the pin was locked too.

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by ciclo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:10 am

The difficulty is that your CYTA engine is sold in America and erWin doesn't even have it available to download the diagrams.
IMHO would recommend that you go to a VW dealer and request this information. All the operator/mechanic has to do is search the correct ECU pin for CCS on their computers.
It is a 0.5 sec task (easy) if the operator/mechanic knows what he is looking for. :mrgreen:


I am afraid that the SC28 and SC29 fuse box slots are 'terminals' with a +30 signal and the cruise control must be with a +15 signal.

+30 signal = with ignition switch OFF.
+15 signal = with ingition switch ON. (*)

For VW UP, the fuse box slots with a +15 signal are usually SC 1,2,3,4,5. ...at least until 2018, but your UP is 2020 (Model Year 'L' ... VIN: 9BWAH4127LT501299), so you must use a multimeter to locate a +15 signal (wire to connect/splice the CCS feed wire) in the fuse box because your fuse box may not be the same due to the manufacturing dates.
If you want, take a clear photo of your fuse box and show it here.

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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by Matmaz » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:35 am

ciclo wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:10 am
The difficulty is that your CYTA engine is sold in America and erWin doesn't even have it available to download the diagrams.
IMHO would recommend that you go to a VW dealer and request this information. All the operator/mechanic has to do is search the correct ECU pin for CCS on their computers.
It is a 0.5 sec task (easy) if the operator/mechanic knows what he is looking for. :mrgreen:


I am afraid that the SC28 and SC29 fuse box slots are 'terminals' with a +30 signal and the cruise control must be with a +15 signal.

+30 signal = with ignition switch OFF.
+15 signal = with ingition switch ON. (*)

For VW UP, the fuse box slots with a +15 signal are usually SC 1,2,3,4,5. ...at least until 2018, but your UP is 2020 (Model Year 'L' ... VIN: 9BWAH4127LT501299), so you must use a multimeter to locate a +15 signal (wire to connect/splice the CCS feed wire) in the fuse box because your fuse box may not be the same due to the manufacturing dates.
If you want, take a clear photo of your fuse box and show it here.
First of all, I'm sorry for duplicate answer, I have read the mensage after submit wrong.
I don't know how I can take this information about the signal. You can teach me how to do that using a multimeter?
That was the best photo that I could take at the moment, but if you another one, I can try to take at the day with more space
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Re: 6R Cruise Control Retrofit Problems

Post by ciclo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:01 am

Your fusebox image edited with the crap from Windows 10 tools. :lol:

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Two wires reach this fuse SC5, one is black (INPUT - SC5B -) and the other is black-gray (OUTPUT - SC5A -) and you must connect the CCS power wire to the output wire (SC5A).
A or B should be engraved on the plastic on the back of the fuse box.

This fuse is dedicated to powering the reverse light switch (for future reference).

I think it is a good place to connect the CCS power, the other first four fuses are occupied by various important devices or connectors.

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