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Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Fri May 22, 2020 2:17 pm

Hi,

First of all i want u thank this great forum for all the nice and good information. And Especially Ciclo for the major part in giving information and being nice to people that don't understand everything yet.

So i want to retrofit cruise control on my Polo 6R.
My car is a 2011 Polo 6R on petrol. It is a 3 cylinder 1.2 engine with 60Bhp. It was sold as a Trendline version so all the basics except Airco. (no climate control just normal airco) I am from the Netherlands so my driver side is on the left. my vin number is: WVWZZZ6RZCY
I found out that my car has a 85 BCM and went online and bought a 6R0937087H BCM and cruisecontrol sticks with partnumber: 6Q0 953 503 EJ with on the right side keys for the computer. (i also bought a wireing loom and VCDS cable from Aliexpress. i know the opinions not not buying a 300$ cable from RossTech and i would surely defend my opinion on the matter but not in this topic)


Here are my questions:

1. The round thing on front side (slip ring is it called i think?) where u van plug in the connector for the airbag? i guess it can spin around but i dont know what position it should be in because it is loose and not been taped so it would not move around. So i can turn it 360 degrees and mount my steering wheel but maybe the car thinks that the steeringwheel is turned all the way left.
How im i gonna find out the right position?

Can i find out by guessing if i turns it 2 times to the left and 2 times to the right then the middle would be the center where it can turn 2 times to the left and 2 to the right? (yeah i know in my head it sounds so simple but i dont know how to put it down in words hahaha)



2. I don’t understand how the screen in the middle of the speedometer is called. I see some people call it DIS some MFA some MFD of MFA+ ? i don’t know what screen i have. It's just black and white.
Ill post a photo of my unit:
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Can i use the other functions with the keys on the right sticks? So i can see options for trip and fuel consumptions ?

2.1 And what wires do I need to connect to get this working.



3. I dont realy understand the wirering diagrams, they seem a little bit confusing.
Many thanks for Gannu 1 form the team-bhp forum for make a simple diagram that I do understand.
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Can someone make some for the wires that I need for the TRIP OK/reset buttons to work? Or are there no wires necessary for this?



4. When retrofitting the new BCM I would like to backup my whole 85BCM just in case. How do I make an extensive backup for everything in VCDS?
Gannu 1 in this topic says: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/diy-do-y ... odule.html
Procedure:
The procedure is pretty straightforward and simple.
First and the most important step - connect the VCDS cable and copy-paste the long coding from the 09-Central Electronics module > Coding - 07 to a notepad file.

Take screenshots of all the 29 Bytes under the Long Coding Helper.

Use the Snipping Tool and use the New Window Snip option to quickly select the window for which the screenshot has to be taken:
This way, you will know what options were individually enabled and disabled when you adapt the new BCM to the car.

Next up, go to 19-CAN Gateway module > Coding - 07 and copy-paste the long coding to the notepad file.
Click on Installation List and take the screenshots of the options that are ticked:
Important: These options will vary from car to car! Please do not take this as a reference for your car!
These have to be transferred to the new BCM after doing the physical swap.
But there a way more modules in VCDS do I not need to back those up to? And how do I do that.



So I hope u guys can help me with my questions. I have yet to get all my parts from china so that may take a while.
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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by iichel » Fri May 22, 2020 3:35 pm

Jorrick wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:17 pm
(i also bought a wireing loom and VCDS cable from Aliexpress. i know the opinions not not buying a 300$ cable from RossTech and i would surely defend my opinion on the matter but not in this topic)
Go ahead, I'm listening.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by RUM4MO » Fri May 22, 2020 4:16 pm

As above!

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Fri May 22, 2020 7:02 pm

iichel wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:35 pm
Jorrick wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:17 pm
(i also bought a wireing loom and VCDS cable from Aliexpress. i know the opinions not not buying a 300$ cable from RossTech and i would surely defend my opinion on the matter but not in this topic)
Go ahead, I'm listening.
Like i said, open another topic if u want to discuss that. I like to talk here about my car problem not your cable problem.
I expect more from a moderator than this.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by iichel » Fri May 22, 2020 7:20 pm

Jorrick wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:02 pm
iichel wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:35 pm
Jorrick wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:17 pm
(i also bought a wireing loom and VCDS cable from Aliexpress. i know the opinions not not buying a 300$ cable from RossTech and i would surely defend my opinion on the matter but not in this topic)
Go ahead, I'm listening.
Like i said, open another topic if u want to discuss that. I like to talk here about my car problem not your cable problem.
I expect more from a moderator than this.
You are not in any position to expect anything from me. My task as a moderator concerns the moderation of the forum. Basically that's just housekeeping of any posts and users that are not in the correct place. If you expect me to help everyone out here, including yourself, you came to the wrong place... I'm just a user here that has an extra task. I do this for free and as a hobby. Now tell me, what do you expect?

A forum is a very nice place for discussion and I'm curious as to why you think a clone vcds is an idea worth defending. I'm genuinely curious. I'm very opposed to the use of these clone cables both for practical and principal reasons.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Sat May 23, 2020 10:56 pm

iichel wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:20 pm
Jorrick wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:02 pm
iichel wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:35 pm
Go ahead, I'm listening.
Like i said, open another topic if u want to discuss that. I like to talk here about my car problem not your cable problem.
I expect more from a moderator than this.
You are not in any position to expect anything from me. My task as a moderator concerns the moderation of the forum. Basically that's just housekeeping of any posts and users that are not in the correct place. If you expect me to help everyone out here, including yourself, you came to the wrong place... I'm just a user here that has an extra task. I do this for free and as a hobby. Now tell me, what do you expect?

A forum is a very nice place for discussion and I'm curious as to why you think a clone vcds is an idea worth defending. I'm genuinely curious. I'm very opposed to the use of these clone cables both for practical and principal reasons.
U are right. I am sorry i was not in a position to call u out like that. I apologize.
I had a discussion about fake vs real cables and I am convinced. I did not know OBD is an open protocol and people pointed out some good arguments why fake cables are crap.
I'm looking to buy an original cable this fits my needs.

Better save than sorry. And it's the right way to support Ross Tech.

I hope we can leave this bad start behind us.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Mon May 25, 2020 9:09 pm

So i have an original cable now. Jeeeej.
I already did a autoscan and cleared some not so relevant codes. My airbag light is now gone so im very happy with that.

I there anyone that could shed some light on my questions above?

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by ciclo » Tue May 26, 2020 12:33 pm

A question of languages.

MFD ... Multi function display
MFA ... Multifunktionsanzeige
FIS .. FahrerInformationsSystem

+ ... Plus :lol:

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Read this thread ... viewtopic.php?t=65431#p490214


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Autoscan ?

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Tue May 26, 2020 1:19 pm

ciclo wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:33 pm
A question of languages.

MFD ... Multi function display
MFA ... Multifunktionsanzeige
FIS .. FahrerInformationsSystem

+ ... Plus :lol:

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Read this thread ... viewtopic.php?t=65431#p490214


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Autoscan ?
Ah ok. so it’s just different languages.
But what is the difference between an MFD and MFD+ ? I read there are MFD’s that als half the screen and full screen. Mine is full screen does that also mean it is MFA+ ?

This is my autoscan. People on other forum recommend removing the VIN number for privacy and copytheft reasons.

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Monday,25,May,2020,20:34:38:23303
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY******  License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZCY******   Mileage: 234840km-145922miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CGPB)       Labels:. 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
   Part No SW: 03E 906 019 M    HW: 03E 906 019 B
   Component: SIMOS11.1     H03 8949  
   Revision: --------    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00110016000400080000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001007
   ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
   VCID: 2E57F709714C42F6A9-807A

2 Faults Found:
6093 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 
          P0420 00 [104] - Efficiency Below Threshold
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 12
                    Mileage: 231689 km
                    Date: 2020.03.02
                    Time: 17:04:56

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: -40 °C
                    Intake air temperature: -40 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 0 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 0.000 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Test of catalytic converter: measured value-EFF_CAT_DIAG_OBD[1]: 1.117188
                    Cat. temperature: bank 1: 870.78751 °C
                    Engine speed: 1791 /min
                    Air mass: actual value:-MAF: 89.70 mg/stroke

10964 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
          P0016 00 [096] - Incorrect Correlation
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 234793 km
                    Date: 2020.05.23
                    Time: 03:19:13

                    Engine speed: 905.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 22.4 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 81 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 39 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1030 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.593 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Time since engine start: 3 s
                    Engine torque: 25.68750 Nm
                    Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 0.00 %
                    Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 0.750 °

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 210224E3217000B6842924EB84DA00401100
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   VCID: 071962ADB27633BE4A-8052

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AB.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 F    HW: 6R0 820 045 F
   Component: Man AC         02 0101  
   Revision: 0002S 02    
   VCID: 316DEC7568725D0EB4-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 085 E    HW: 6R0 937 085 
   Component: BCM PQ25 M+   H46 0251  
   Revision: BB046001    Serial number: 0430 172110015
   Coding: 62B02BBF08A10048002008002D2B0C900040410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   VCID: 3D75C045A42AA96E20-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AB    HW: 6R0 959 801 AB  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  008 1611 
   Serial number: KU0KU014061100014122
   Coding: 18BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AD    HW: 6R0 959 802 AD  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  008 1611 
   Serial number: KU0KU016061100013956
   Coding: 08BC30

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag022 H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX00PVUS.
   Coding: 003232
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4A9F9B99EDE40ED695-801E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB404V0JR9KC0K6

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB40570ISD6CGHU

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB40530L9U4H1JK

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405D0L2V2C8FL

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 860 G    HW: 6R0 920 860 G
   Component: KOMBI         H03 0505  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 140200
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04113
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 387BD15183088C46F3-806C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 085 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H46 0251  
   Revision: BB046001    
   Coding: 002200
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   VCID: 70EB2971A3F81406FB-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H03 0505  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADF3B198D24EED6B5-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11250
   Shop #: WSC 00788  
   VCID: 2F69EA0DEA464BFEA2-807A

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:57)--------------------------


I'm gonna read youre linked topic.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by iichel » Tue May 26, 2020 1:46 pm

MFA+ is the large pixel display opposed to the segmented display of MFA
Screenshot 2020-05-26 at 14.45.15.png

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Tue May 26, 2020 1:56 pm

iichel wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:46 pm
MFA+ is the large pixel display opposed to the segmented display of MFA

Screenshot 2020-05-26 at 14.45.15.png
Ah ok. So my display is just a MFA?
Can i use the buttons on the right stalks then? for changing /scrolling trough options on screen?

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by ciclo » Tue May 26, 2020 1:57 pm

Thanks for the Autoscan.

I delete the last five digits of the VIN because I don't feel like everyone using my VIN for personal purposes.
However, when publishing an autoscan there are methods to know the complete VIN, that is, those who have knowledge know it anyway.

Everyone knows that dangerous people are those without knowledge ... :lol:
Impossible to steal a car knowing the VIN, ... otherwise VW would not make it visible on the windshield.

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Your instrument cluster screen, even if it is full screen is MFD without plus, that is, an on-board computer that is not capable of displaying Menus of additional functions (navigation, telephone, radio, etc.)

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The pin dedicated to the CCS in the ECU (CGPB) of your 6R ('C' Model Year) is T121/69.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by iichel » Tue May 26, 2020 1:59 pm

Jorrick wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:56 pm
iichel wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:46 pm
MFA+ is the large pixel display opposed to the segmented display of MFA

Screenshot 2020-05-26 at 14.45.15.png
Ah ok. So my display is just a MFA?
Can i use the buttons on the right stalks then? for changing /scrolling trough options on screen?
Yes you can. You need to install some wiring from the stalks T41 to instrument cluster and activate it with vcds.

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Re: Retrofit Cruisecontrol and BCM upgrade

Post by Jorrick » Tue May 26, 2020 3:15 pm

ciclo wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:57 pm
Thanks for the Autoscan.

I delete the last five digits of the VIN because I don't feel like everyone using my VIN for personal purposes.
However, when publishing an autoscan there are methods to know the complete VIN, that is, those who have knowledge know it anyway.

Everyone knows that dangerous people are those without knowledge ... :lol:
Impossible to steal a car knowing the VIN, ... otherwise VW would not make it visible on the windshield.

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Your instrument cluster screen, even if it is full screen is MFD without plus, that is, an on-board computer that is not capable of displaying Menus of additional functions (navigation, telephone, radio, etc.)

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The pin dedicated to the CCS in the ECU (CGPB) of your 6R ('C' Model Year) is T121/69.
Ah wauw Thanks. I knew That different models used a different pin on the ECU but I did not know the pin for my exact model. That is such a huge help. Thanks!
iichel wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:59 pm
Jorrick wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:56 pm
iichel wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:46 pm
MFA+ is the large pixel display opposed to the segmented display of MFA

Screenshot 2020-05-26 at 14.45.15.png
Ah ok. So my display is just a MFA?
Can i use the buttons on the right stalks then? for changing /scrolling trough options on screen?
Yes you can. You need to install some wiring from the stalks T41 to instrument cluster and activate it with vcds.
Ow wauw, that is great. I was a little sad because I thought my MFA was a little bit useless but this just made my day!
Now I just have to find out which wires go where and make for myself an understandable paint diagram hahaha.

Thanks guys

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