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Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:22 am
by KamilPL
iichel wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:53 pm
1400a1 for both?
left side
I did not have time to change and it is the old 6R0959801AK Encoding 020000 ---> tomorrow I will change to 6R0959801CG encoding 0200A3
right side
6R0959802CL 1000A3 coding
Old engines
6R0959801AK, 6R0959802AR
New motors
6R0959801CG, 6R0959802CL
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:30 am
by KamilPL
Found on the Polo 6R / 6C forum
What are the differences between the encodings?
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:34 pm
by ciclo
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:22 pm
by KamilPL
The second motor changed (6R0959801CG) the mirrors close from the remote control, but the problem with the windows persisted
Window switch up - windows down
Window switch down - windows up
closing the car with the remote control, the windows open, the mirrors close
when opening the car with the remote control, the windows close, the mirrors open
Cyclo you have Schematics ele. polo 6C 2015/2016 to compare Polo / Ibiza motor wiring / window switch?
Standard Ibiza / Polo diagrams
However, in order for the mirrors to close from the remote control / joystick, I had to change the T16i / 15 <--> T16i / 14, 16i / 14 <--> T16 / 15.
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:51 pm
by KamilPL
The mirrors now close and open with the remote control / joystick
What to change in the window wiring?
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:52 pm
by ciclo
You must learn how to code with the info that I have shown you in the previous message.
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 9:32 am
by KamilPL
ciclo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:52 pm
You must learn how to code with the info that I have shown you in the previous message.
UPDATE!
After changing the coding, windows and mirrors work properly
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 7:02 pm
by ciclo
Congratulations!
In this forum, it is allowed to share info, in case you forgot the word 'share'. That which makes us great apes and takes us a little further from being pro apes.
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:23 pm
by KamilPL
sorry to give you an answer so late.
The solution was to rewrite the left door coding to right and right to left
Next thing ....
I bought an MFSW from a Leon 5F.
want to do MFSW in my ibiz 6j PQ25.
How to encode Pilot 4B, correctly connect and encode MFSW so that everything works properly?
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:46 am
by ciclo
In response to your private message:
There are various models of MFSW depending on the equipment of the vehicle, please show us the new steering wheel you have purchased (MQB) and your current steering wheel (PQ25).
Depending on this we can find out to what extent it will be possible for everything to work properly.
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:11 pm
by KamilPL
Mfsw
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:54 pm
by ciclo
Well, I don't have any kind of experience with that 4B module (I think remember iichel did some testing with this module on his vw cars).
I guess you should unmount it and remove it from the GW install list to avoid conflicts with the new buttons of the new MFSW.
I'm also assuming you need to provide a new power supply (+15) and a new communication/wire LIN (doors LIN, T73b/17) to the new buttons, also the ground/earth obviously. This process is explained here in the forum for VW POLO 6R (BCM PQ25).
Once this is done, the BCM will recognize the new multifunction buttons as a subsystem (J453, MFL), which must be coded according to equipment (post an autoscan).
From (4B E440, CAN lines)...
To (J453, LIN) ...
---
6R
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:30 pm
by goolby
KamilPL wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:23 pm
sorry to give you an answer so late.
The solution was to rewrite the left door coding to right and right to left
Next thing ....
I bought an MFSW from a Leon 5F.
want to do MFSW in my ibiz 6j PQ25.
How to encode Pilot 4B, correctly connect and encode MFSW so that everything works properly?
Hi, worth a shot to ask even if it's an old thread, did you managed to make it work? I'm thinking to do the same. Thanks!
What I'm not clear on is if the trip computer will work from the wheel right MFSW because in stock it's connected directly with 3 wires from the right stalk to the Instrument Cluster...
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:14 am
by ciclo
I'll summarize it for you:
You cannot have the trip computer buttons in both places at the same time -MFSW and Right Stalk-, generates electronic bugs and consequently blocking the buttons for the trip computer in the MFSW.
As you say, from the right stalk there are three communication wires with the IC ('direct' communication), however with the MFSW the communication for the trip computer (and the other buttons) is through a LIN wire that communicates first with the BCM->GW, and these are responsible for sending the communication signals for the trip computer to the IC through the original CAN lines (powertrain or extended -depending on the equipment level-, which is not to be taken into account for this).
Therefore, if you install an MFSW correctly (with the communication LIN wire) the right stalk should not have the trip computer buttons (or at least not have the three wires connected to the IC).
Obviously, the new MFSW must be compatible with PQ25 (for SEAT I don't know which ones are compatible)...
Re: Ibiza 6j1 2012 Upgrade BCM 6R0937087K--->7H0937090 Cyclo HELP :)
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:48 pm
by goolby
Thanks for the reply, as far as I know Ibiza only started to offer MFSW from 2016 and by then I think that's MQB platform but I found one post on another place that states:
Hi,
if someone is interrested about MFSW for Ibiza 6J, I have tried new style steering wheel and its working fine in Ibiza 6J PQ25 platform with factory installed BCM 6R0937087H. Buttons backlight is working too.
You need to
1. replace only theese parts:
5f0880201J AAP / 6f0880201J AAP - airbag and mf buttons cable (orange)
7n5419091D - steering wheel
2. add two wires to steering wheel coil for 12V and LIN BUS
3. connect 12V cable to 12V from ignition switch [EASY]
and LIN-BUS cable to BCM [HARD JOB because there is little space arund the BCM under steering wheel]
4. remove original multi function module otherwise radio is possible to control only via multifunction module.
5. VCDS coding to enable MFSW
There are too much installation manuals for POLO 6R which have similar bcm and mf coil so it isnt needed write wirring installation manual in this thread.
7n5419091D is Alhambra 2016>>2013 and for Ibiza would be 5F0419091(x) so I think that the Ibiza one will also work.
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I have an Ibiza ST 6J8 2011 Ecomotive with Start/Stop and 6R0937088D BCM (higher than 6R0937087H from the post).
So... assuming that an Ibiza/ Leon/ Alhambra 2016>> steering wheel will work... I'll have to replace the right stalk with one without trip buttons (I have the original one because I myself retrofitted the trip computer after I bought the car) and also remove the Ibiza default MFSW stalk from the left side under the steering wheel and also remove it from the CAN Gateway Installation list so it will not conflict with the new wheel. Run the Lin wire to the BCM and +12v for the backlight in the wheel.
Will see if I can source a wheel and airbag and wire at a acceptable price in case this will not work...
A bit old but still relevant auto scan of my car:
Code: Select all
Chassis Type: 6J-SE25 (6R0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 4B 56 61 69 77
VIN: VSSZZZ6JZBR098475 Mileage: 206050km-128033miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J0000-CFWA) Labels:. 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
Part No SW: 03P 906 021 AA HW: 03P 906 021 AA
Component: R3 1.2 DCM3.7 H04 9521
Revision: 12004001 Serial number: CVN: 876D4221
Coding: 00114014032401080000
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA 001013
ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA.rod
VCID: 67DD0E9B9E6DDDB76E-8032
VINID: 9A38EAAAA19AA92880248107148D1F4F25
No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AK HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001
Revision: --------
Coding: 110224DB817600BA882924E981D600521300
Shop #: WSC 04941 000 00000
VCID: 071D2E1BB22D3DB78E-8052
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 6J0-820-045.clb
Part No SW: 6J0 820 045 A HW: 6J0 820 045 A
Component: J301 Klimaanlage 0320
Revision: 00 25 08 Serial number: 0000001205168-
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
VCID: 24475997E7DBF6AF8B-8070
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 937 088 D HW: 6R0 937 088
Component: BCM PQ25 Re4 H46 0322
Revision: BU046001 Serial number: 0379 308100897
Coding: 3C880BE888210000002001F03F4B9C80CF80620F7E000449200000000000
Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
VCID: 3F8DF6FBAE7DB577F6-806A
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 M HW: 6R0 959 801 M Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 002 3110
Serial number: --------------------
Coding: 420000
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 P HW: 6R0 959 802 P Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 002 3110
Serial number: --------------------
Coding: 420000
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K HW: 6R0 959 655 K
Component: VW10AirbagA09 H09 0020
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003GX00B6GBA
Coding: 003039
Shop #: WSC 06401 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
VCID: 4A9BD72FEDBF00DF51-801E
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3495RRB405T053R46OF-
Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
Serial number: 3505RRB405T053R4C162
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 6J0 920 802 J HW: 6J0 920 802 J
Component: KOMBI H05 0404
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 110A00
Shop #: WSC 99999 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK46.rod
VCID: 2F6DA6BB761D45F766-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 6R0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 530 C HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H38 0025
Revision: H38 Serial number: 241010F1000096
Coding: 2532C2
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 3365AACB9235611702-8066
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Component: IMMO H05 0404
Serial number:
Coding: 000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
VCID: 6ADB77AF8D7FE0DF71-803E
No fault code found.
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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650) Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
Part No SW: 6J0 035 342 D HW: 6J0 035 342 D
Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0150
Revision: A1001003 Serial number: 7669377224
Coding: 020000
Shop #: WSC 64564 324 38760
VCID: 254144932CE10FA79C-8070
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V277
Coding: 11231
Shop #: WSC 06402
VCID: 2F6DA6BBEA1D45F766-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module Labels: 6J0-959-441.clb
Part No: 6J0 959 441 A
Component: MF-Modul 0007 0001
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 77005 000 00000
VCID: 3169A0C3A829530770-8064
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels:. 6J0-035-153.clb
Part No SW: 6J0 035 153 B HW: 6J0 035 153 B
Component: Radio G3 UL H56 0034
Revision: 0H001001 Serial number: SEZ1Z2I6324940
Coding: 0004040002
Shop #: WSC 04941 123 12345
VCID: 23455A8B22D5F197F2-8076
No fault code found.
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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840) Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 907 534 HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: Batt.regelung H38 0025
Serial number: 241010F1000096
Coding: 0303185A
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 74E769D7D7BB262FDB-8020
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 915 181 B HW: 6R0 915 181
Component: J367-BDM H07 0150
Serial number: 00000000009370264002
No fault code found.
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Address 69: Trailer (J345) Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F HW: 1K0 907 383 F
Component: Anhaenger H12 0100
Revision: 3A001001 Serial number: 00000375465635
Coding: 0100000100000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 306FA5C763235A0F7F-8064
No fault code found.
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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 E HW: 5K0 035 730 E
Component: TELEFON H09 2902
Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007666439460
Coding: 0200000001010110
Shop #: WSC 48178 001 104857
ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
ROD: UHVNA.rod
VCID: 275D4E9B5EED1DB7AE-8072
No fault code found.
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