Some of us may appreciate this...

dxg · Post by **dxg** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:04 am

I don't need words to descibe this:

I know that some members of this forum will appreciate this. I suspect that the majority, however, will merely question the point of it.

Link to more info.

Deek

bass mekanik · Post by **bass mekanik** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:54 pm

thats quite old now- panasonic released that range in japan around 4 or 5 years back.

anyhoo- the reason behind it is not just for the retro look, but for the "odler" audiophile.

back in the days of vacuum tube powered ampfliers (or valve amps as they are more commonly known) sound was amplified in a different method to modern conventional electronics. Some say that this on a general level resulted in a "warmer" and "more involving" harmonics. that older amplifers with their fuzzy noise backgrounds can never be beaten in terms of pure sound quality.

there are arguments to and for- but the point of it is- panasonic have attempted to cater to a market that already exists.

Babe RuthLess · Post by **Babe RuthLess** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:54 pm

I didn't realize that was a car stereo until I read the page you linked. Thought it was 'compact' valve-powered stereo or something.

Looks good (though I'd prefer a black case). Now, are there any heat issues? I mean, all those valves don't exactly mix with soft plastics.

Must sound great though.

bass mekanik · Post by **bass mekanik** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:58 pm

Babe RuthLess wrote:I didn't realize that was a car stereo until I read the page you linked. Thought it was 'compact' valve-powered stereo or something.

Looks good (though I'd prefer a black case). Now, are there any heat issues? I mean, all those valves don't exactly mix with soft plastics.

Must sound great though.

shouldnt be heat issues- that range is near all metal- front face included.

(bit of an ice geek me!)

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:32 am

those VU meters and the super duperiffic hi-fi quality must be ver' useful when you're riding along with your eyes on the road and tyre/wind/engine noise all around....

looks mighty pretty though.

but................ surely valve amped anything is a bloody waste of time and money if you're jacking mp3s through it? anything more expensive than a vanilla home stereo or in car system will show up the sucky compression artifacts in most unfriendly ways. needs at least a CDDA....... for preference a reel to reel tape deck.

bass mekanik · Post by **bass mekanik** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:52 am

Tahrey1043 wrote:those VU meters and the super duperiffic hi-fi quality must be ver' useful when you're riding along with your eyes on the road and tyre/wind/engine noise all around....

looks mighty pretty though.

but................ surely valve amped anything is a bloody waste of time and money if you're jacking mp3s through it? anything more expensive than a vanilla home stereo or in car system will show up the sucky compression artifacts in most unfriendly ways. needs at least a CDDA....... for preference a reel to reel tape deck.

which is why you sound deaden. in car audio is around 20-30% in the equipment you use and as much as 70-80% in the installation of that kit.

in my previous car i stripped the entire interior out. gutted it totally before applying 3 layers of marley sealant tape everywhere. floorpan, boot, quarter panels, doors, door cards, under dash, the whole lot.

makes a MASSIVE difference to the sound.

As for MP3- totally agree. but then a purist audiophile wouldnt neccesatily be using them in the first place.

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:12 am

well, liking it currently at the moment in the car and the house as i find the random and track skip-skip-skip-new album-etc functions of my hard disc player super cool - and i dont really have any high end stuff to hear the sound being slaughtered on (plus i use something that's surprisingly good - most of the time - at 128k... though i plan to upgrade to about a 192k average VBR, as this time round i stuck to the favourites and havent filled the players 20gb disc)

sound deadening.... hm..... interesting. expensive stuff is it?

yolmol · Post by **yolmol** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:07 am

???????

lol why?

13twelve · Post by **13twelve** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:31 am

sound deadening is expensive and heavy - it would affect your mpg lol

i'm the same when it comes to music as Tahrey.

i like my music alot. i'm one of those that at times will get all precious about it and i worry that my tastes are stagnating now and then.

but typically i dont really listen to very much where ultra clean noise is required.

its not like will haven or atari teenage riot is gonna sound that much better than it does out of my stock speakers lol

(having said that, i once listened to the vinyl of the deftones white pony on a linn stereo at an audiophiles house - it was a dam site warmer and somehow clearer. but as i cant really describe the difference and i dont miss it, i'm not too worried)

(i actually dont understand dance musics obsession with djs and vinly. why use an analogue format to carry music completly made digitally? seems odd to me!)

bass mekanik · Post by **bass mekanik** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:15 am

13twelve wrote:sound deadening is expensive and heavy - it would affect your mpg lol

i'm the same when it comes to music as Tahrey.

i like my music alot. i'm one of those that at times will get all precious about it and i worry that my tastes are stagnating now and then.

but typically i dont really listen to very much where ultra clean noise is required.

its not like will haven or atari teenage riot is gonna sound that much better than it does out of my stock speakers lol

(having said that, i once listened to the vinyl of the deftones white pony on a linn stereo at an audiophiles house - it was a dam site warmer and somehow clearer. but as i cant really describe the difference and i dont miss it, i'm not too worried)

(i actually dont understand dance musics obsession with djs and vinly. why use an analogue format to carry music completly made digitally? seems odd to me!)

Horses for courses I guess.

Sound deadening can be bothe expensive and heavy depending on which route you take- but there are ways around both. I chose the cheap route- marley tape (or flashing tape) which is a thick three core vinyl based tape. three layer in the entire car cost me Â£150. some people may think this is expensive but relatively compared to other options for doing the same job- its peanuts.

I guess I can understand not being too fussed with audio for some people (admitedly when i had Â£4K worth of it stolen from my old car i near enough lost heart altogether for about a year or so myself

)

But its like anything else- a passion for some people. Im keeping my next set up very simple (head unit, one set of front components, one 3 channel amp, and one sub.) but that in itself is a challenge for me because i have less specific kit to get a more specific sound experience.

like i said- horses for courses i guess.

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:52 pm

lol dont get me wrong, when the listening environment and the equipment is good enough to show up the flaws i'm a real stickler for good quality - whether in the CD mastering (wanna shoot whoever was responsible for Ash's 1977 and the Bon Jovi "remasters") or mp3 compression (LAME is the game, baby!)...

but in-car i can't tell the difference between a tape player and a CD whilst moving, so long as the tape isnt knackered..

Post by **Josh_PoloGTi** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:29 pm

I love that head unit