It's big news over here to.. didn't hear about it until after work (18:30), but my parents say it was all over the tv / radio all day long and it's still going on, only it's a lot of crap about 'what if' and 'what next' talk now.. (Dutch people like to talk on and on about something, without it actually being of any use)
Really sad thing to happen, thoughts go out to those who are in any way involved in this mess.. Thumbsup for your emergency services though! The footage I've seen so far, shows some well organized / controlled help that's being offered.
central london explosions!!!
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NOT wanting to get political
Moral of the story
- stay out of other people arguments at all costs
Bush and Blair are both in power on the back of a unlawfull invasion in a country we had no right to go into
- Religeon is a disease (avoid it)
When you have no hope, no prospects, no job, no money, and someone says if you become a suicide bomber you and you family and everyone you know will go to a better place it seems like a good idea.
The muslim religeon from what I've read is a balanced approach - but like any written word is open to interpretation
We have left, centre and right and don't resort to blowing things up if debate doesn't work
They have moderate, extreme and fucking basket cases
I'll leave it to you to make up your mind which ones get the most coverage on sky news
PS Nuke em is not an option we are stuck now trying to resolve the total and utter arse we have made of the situation!!!
It would help if the two leaders jointly responsible for the complete and total arse weren't idiots!!!
The option of emigration to Oz looks good right now plus they have V8's
Moral of the story
- stay out of other people arguments at all costs
Bush and Blair are both in power on the back of a unlawfull invasion in a country we had no right to go into
- Religeon is a disease (avoid it)
When you have no hope, no prospects, no job, no money, and someone says if you become a suicide bomber you and you family and everyone you know will go to a better place it seems like a good idea.
The muslim religeon from what I've read is a balanced approach - but like any written word is open to interpretation
We have left, centre and right and don't resort to blowing things up if debate doesn't work
They have moderate, extreme and fucking basket cases
I'll leave it to you to make up your mind which ones get the most coverage on sky news
PS Nuke em is not an option we are stuck now trying to resolve the total and utter arse we have made of the situation!!!
It would help if the two leaders jointly responsible for the complete and total arse weren't idiots!!!
The option of emigration to Oz looks good right now plus they have V8's
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damn..... that's f***ing awful.
ordinarily i'd think i might go.. ah, londoners, sod 'em... but there is a limit. just thinking of what being in that sort of situation would be like, regardless of who you are, is enough.
(takes a lot to sh*t me up enough to drive into work merely on principle but this managed it --- also strengthened my resolve to keep the hell out of city centres esp. london as much as possible)
my brother has suddenly become politically very knowledgeable (dunno how) and dropped some interesting points on me during a dissection of the day's news...
me: wondering why, if anyone was making a political statement, they didn't just drive a truck of explosives into gleneagles, or thru the gates (cast iron? pfah) and past no.10 when tony's home ... and what exactly is it they're trying to acheive, because most terrorists have a cause - al qaeda's main objective, at least so far as our mass media is concerned, seems to be mainly to sink a lot of cash and human resources into blowing stuff up just for the hell of it whilst shouting "down with america!".
(or words to that effect, spread throughout a long conversation)
him: 1. don't you think they play the stock market on this sort of thing? they've probably earnt their money back already (stock market did go bananas directly after), and there's always tons of willing psychos to use for suicide runs. 2. they're trying to start all out civil war within the targeted countries - christian, jew & secular vs muslim, however peaceful things currently are -- their jihadist vision is that of overall islamic rule (taking small bits of the qu'ran to the extreme) and they reckon, if a barney can be induced, it will spread, and they have the numbers and will (i.e. unrelenting psychosis) to acheive this. Only after the dust settles will the unwitting pawns on all sides realise quite what has happened and how they themselves facilitated it, but it'll be too late.
(where did he get that from? very insightful)
so basically... like a school bully... they're best ignored.
(of course, bombing public transport in a city like london is one of the very best ways, in terms of cost vs effect, to strike at a country - an entire city was basically shut down for a day, it's hospitals overloaded, much genuine terror induced - and it didn't stop there. birmingham, and i suspect other cities, were on high alert, my own hospital put emergency preparation procedures into place, and a floating nurse who operates between there and the diana childrens hosp reported it had gone even higher, putting on-call specialists on alert, as it's the closest one to the city centre... not to mention some road closures, public transport woes.... and motorway snarl ups etc)
maybe we need a more laid back approach to it.... it would take an enormous effort on their part to affect a very large part of the tube or bus system (you think the palestinians / israelis haven't been aiming at such an effect for years and years on their cross border enemies?) so instead of shutting the entire system down ... keep traffic and people flowing, but continue making way for the emergency services. If what they do has no effect, then why bother?
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Personally I think Australia is too much of a risk area too, though there's plenty enough desert, bush, or semi-jungle bits to lose yourself in if needs be, and make like Ray Mears. Canada is a good option instead, though there's too many french
, it's a bit close to america and too cold. Not much of a common target though. Or, New Zealand... not the warmest of spots either (pretty much a uk climate but with more glacial valleys) but quite peaceful and low-key.
ordinarily i'd think i might go.. ah, londoners, sod 'em... but there is a limit. just thinking of what being in that sort of situation would be like, regardless of who you are, is enough.
(takes a lot to sh*t me up enough to drive into work merely on principle but this managed it --- also strengthened my resolve to keep the hell out of city centres esp. london as much as possible)
my brother has suddenly become politically very knowledgeable (dunno how) and dropped some interesting points on me during a dissection of the day's news...
me: wondering why, if anyone was making a political statement, they didn't just drive a truck of explosives into gleneagles, or thru the gates (cast iron? pfah) and past no.10 when tony's home ... and what exactly is it they're trying to acheive, because most terrorists have a cause - al qaeda's main objective, at least so far as our mass media is concerned, seems to be mainly to sink a lot of cash and human resources into blowing stuff up just for the hell of it whilst shouting "down with america!".
(or words to that effect, spread throughout a long conversation)
him: 1. don't you think they play the stock market on this sort of thing? they've probably earnt their money back already (stock market did go bananas directly after), and there's always tons of willing psychos to use for suicide runs. 2. they're trying to start all out civil war within the targeted countries - christian, jew & secular vs muslim, however peaceful things currently are -- their jihadist vision is that of overall islamic rule (taking small bits of the qu'ran to the extreme) and they reckon, if a barney can be induced, it will spread, and they have the numbers and will (i.e. unrelenting psychosis) to acheive this. Only after the dust settles will the unwitting pawns on all sides realise quite what has happened and how they themselves facilitated it, but it'll be too late.
(where did he get that from? very insightful)
so basically... like a school bully... they're best ignored.
(of course, bombing public transport in a city like london is one of the very best ways, in terms of cost vs effect, to strike at a country - an entire city was basically shut down for a day, it's hospitals overloaded, much genuine terror induced - and it didn't stop there. birmingham, and i suspect other cities, were on high alert, my own hospital put emergency preparation procedures into place, and a floating nurse who operates between there and the diana childrens hosp reported it had gone even higher, putting on-call specialists on alert, as it's the closest one to the city centre... not to mention some road closures, public transport woes.... and motorway snarl ups etc)
maybe we need a more laid back approach to it.... it would take an enormous effort on their part to affect a very large part of the tube or bus system (you think the palestinians / israelis haven't been aiming at such an effect for years and years on their cross border enemies?) so instead of shutting the entire system down ... keep traffic and people flowing, but continue making way for the emergency services. If what they do has no effect, then why bother?
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Personally I think Australia is too much of a risk area too, though there's plenty enough desert, bush, or semi-jungle bits to lose yourself in if needs be, and make like Ray Mears. Canada is a good option instead, though there's too many french
, it's a bit close to america and too cold. Not much of a common target though. Or, New Zealand... not the warmest of spots either (pretty much a uk climate but with more glacial valleys) but quite peaceful and low-key.Birmingham city centre has been evacuated tonight after the Police received intelligence reports that there may be a security risk 
Scary.
Scary.
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lol yeah it was a good night - i was working the bel air and quite a few displaced broad streeters ended up with us instead
apparently they found a backpack with an alarm clock in it in the travel lodge or something. big whoop.
would have liked to see that in action though, bet it was awesome. (i really don't like broad st, but get dragged down there quite often)
Birmingham police vs "security risk" - ie some chavs from duddeston getting pissed on blue thunder and making a prank call
Because really, if you want to screw birmingham up, you would affect the same area covered by this scare - involving the main shopping and business district, the bus terminii and all three major rail stations including thru routes - but either mid-day saturday, or morning/evening on a weekday. Not on early on a saturday evening, after the shoppers have left but before the clubs are properly full. Drunk chavs wouldnt conceive of it (or overly paranoid cops). Careful-planning terrorists probably would. Our transport system isn't anywhere near so comprehensive or integrated as london (doesnt need to be) so there's less alternative routes. Knock out new street, snow hill and moor street, the a38 and the buses, and that's much of the city's commuters screwed.
And you wouldnt need to do anything so obvious that would allow the police to cotton on. As shown, there's already 20000 folks in that area before it even gets busy. Stopping and checking even a small percentage of them would cause chaos above and beyond the usual saturday night, so the opportunity to just melt into a crowd is massive. And the average puffa jacket can hide so much whilst still looking innocuous - think of the shootings that have gone on in nearby areas.
I like this, too:
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apparently they found a backpack with an alarm clock in it in the travel lodge or something. big whoop.
would have liked to see that in action though, bet it was awesome. (i really don't like broad st, but get dragged down there quite often)
Birmingham police vs "security risk" - ie some chavs from duddeston getting pissed on blue thunder and making a prank call
Because really, if you want to screw birmingham up, you would affect the same area covered by this scare - involving the main shopping and business district, the bus terminii and all three major rail stations including thru routes - but either mid-day saturday, or morning/evening on a weekday. Not on early on a saturday evening, after the shoppers have left but before the clubs are properly full. Drunk chavs wouldnt conceive of it (or overly paranoid cops). Careful-planning terrorists probably would. Our transport system isn't anywhere near so comprehensive or integrated as london (doesnt need to be) so there's less alternative routes. Knock out new street, snow hill and moor street, the a38 and the buses, and that's much of the city's commuters screwed.
And you wouldnt need to do anything so obvious that would allow the police to cotton on. As shown, there's already 20000 folks in that area before it even gets busy. Stopping and checking even a small percentage of them would cause chaos above and beyond the usual saturday night, so the opportunity to just melt into a crowd is massive. And the average puffa jacket can hide so much whilst still looking innocuous - think of the shootings that have gone on in nearby areas.
I like this, too:
That's a whole lot of redundancy allowed for by the terroristsPolice carried out four controlled explosions on a bus in Corporation Street, in the city centre.
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I love BBC online, they can't get a bloody thing right. Last time I spotted them making a goof was them saying that "Japan is the only asian city to host a live 8 concert" (what?) ... anyone who either lives around brum or can look at the simplest of maps can tell the a38 goes almost straight thru the centre; either whoever told them it was a ring road was winding them up, or they just decided it was on the basis of no evidence. Perhaps they were thinking of the A4540 and just had a mental burp, but still doesn't enhance your faith in the accuracy of their reporting.West Midlands Police put up an exclusion cordon around the A38 inner city ring road after the warnings were received.
Great,
So today's news means that the main line into St Pancras is closed at Luton - hence there have been no Midland Mainline services today and will be none tomorrow.
Now, I have a meeting in London tomorrow at 10am. I have only just discovered this situation and have no way of contacting my client to postpone or rearrange. From surfing the web my only option seems to be to travel north to Nottingham, then change to GNER and then somehow (if I can squeeze onto a train bearing in mind the number of displaced passangers who will also have been forced into this route) make it into Kings Cross. The absolute earliest this will get me into London is 10.05, at which time my client will be waiting on the otherside of the City wondering where I am.
I will have to struggle down alongside everyone else in the same situation (but how they will all fit onto the trains, I have no idea) and work out how to get back home once I'm down there.
I'm not happy. Nothing on the news, either. Just went to get the train times and there's this message on midland mainline's website.
Deek.
So today's news means that the main line into St Pancras is closed at Luton - hence there have been no Midland Mainline services today and will be none tomorrow.
Now, I have a meeting in London tomorrow at 10am. I have only just discovered this situation and have no way of contacting my client to postpone or rearrange. From surfing the web my only option seems to be to travel north to Nottingham, then change to GNER and then somehow (if I can squeeze onto a train bearing in mind the number of displaced passangers who will also have been forced into this route) make it into Kings Cross. The absolute earliest this will get me into London is 10.05, at which time my client will be waiting on the otherside of the City wondering where I am.
I will have to struggle down alongside everyone else in the same situation (but how they will all fit onto the trains, I have no idea) and work out how to get back home once I'm down there.
I'm not happy. Nothing on the news, either. Just went to get the train times and there's this message on midland mainline's website.
Deek.