Nice car, shame about its reliability..................

polopowah · Post by **polopowah** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:20 am

samuel090180 wrote:But VW Polo GTI Gearboxes tend to fail at a much higher rate than other cars, it is a major design fault.

depends how you drive it imo
but it seems you've just had bad luck!
i know loads of people on here and from round my way that haven't had a gearbox/clutch problem yet and some have as high as 77,000 miles on the clock
Ford better than VW

-Ben-

smash_it_up_666 · Post by **smash_it_up_666** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:47 am

samuel090180 wrote:Modern VW's are not the 'force' that they once were, they are 'mediocre cars' at best,

if all modern VW's are "mediocre", why did you buy one in the first place?

i know you said you didnt do "in depth" research untill after it broke, but surely you must have known about "Modern VW's" before you bought it?

to be honest, for the price, i dont think u can beat the build quality and reliability of VW's.

damci · Post by **damci** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:51 am

samuel090180 wrote:Modern VW's are not the 'force' that they once were, they are 'mediocre cars' at best, you cannot compare the build quality on a early/mid 1990's VW Golf/Polo to a modern day VW Golf/Polo.
Visit http://www.peachorlemon.com and you will see what I am talking about.
Also Fords are as Good, if not better than modern day VW's.

Sorry guys but I've got to agree with this, I've owned several older VW's my last been a 96 MK3 Golf GTI and it was far better built than my current 02 9n polo. I'm not a Ford man, but Ford have certainly improved over the years and are probably more reliable than a VW. Some people are a little short sighted, theres a lot better car's out there than a veedub nowerdays.

polopowah · Post by **polopowah** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:35 am

smash_it_up_666 wrote:
samuel090180 wrote:Modern VW's are not the 'force' that they once were, they are 'mediocre cars' at best,
if all modern VW's are "mediocre", why did you buy one in the first place?

i know you said you didnt do "in depth" research untill after it broke, but surely you must have known about "Modern VW's" before you bought it?

to be honest, for the price, i dont think u can beat the build quality and reliability of VW's.

well said that man

-Ben-

mysteryboy · Post by **mysteryboy** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:38 am

damci wrote: Some people are a little short sighted, theres a lot better car's out there than a veedub nowerdays.

Gotta agree with this....

polopowah · Post by **polopowah** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:41 am

VW has character
nuff said really

plus alot of other makes are prone to rust/lacquer peel even on post 00' models!

-Ben-

damci · Post by **damci** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:05 am

polopowah wrote:VW has character
nuff said really
-Ben-

Do they? Which one's that then

Most VW's look dull and boring unless there in GTI/Sport guise, if you want character buy a MINI or a pre 1994 VW

samuel090180 · Post by **samuel090180** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:14 pm

VW's used to be built in Germany, with German components and German labour, but modern day VW's are now built in Spain, this means that Spanish labour and Spanish components are used in the manufacturing process, this is why modern VW's have lost the reliability and build quality which they were once renowned for.
Because everybody knows that the Germans are some of the best engineer's on the planet, but when you outsource the production of your product to another country with a less skilled workforce, and inferior components the build quality of the product will suffer.

samuel090180 · Post by **samuel090180** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:31 pm

This is an advert from the Autotrader =

2000 VOLKSWAGEN POLO 1.6 GTi 3dr Hatchback,
28,000 miles, w reg, black, ABS, e/w, e/m, pas, A/C, 17" Alloy wheels, 1 year mot, 6 months tax, immaculate in and out, first to see will buy, priced to sell, no canvasas. Â£4,495. o.n.o

I suspect that this person has had reliability issues, that is why he/she is selling a car with only 28K, for well under Â£5k.

Redline · Post by **Redline** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:42 pm

Just out of interest here, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

Is it that the Polo GTi has had gearbox problems? If it is, then you're preaching to the converted as enough people on here recognise that some have had issues with this.

Alternatively, is it an attempt to show that modern VW's aren't as well built as their forerunners? As once again, thats probably true. But I think if you look across the board of German car manufacturers in many cases this is true. Competition is a lot stronger, market forces want a bigger new car with more equipment, more safety features, better environment impact. The company needs profit. Something has to give, and sadly it seems to have been quality control in many cases (see Mercedes A, C, ML-Class). Can't have everything for nothing.

How about that Ford is better than VW? I'm not even going to mention that, as it's quite frankly a subjective nightmare.

Or, is it to justify to yourself the fact you sold your GTi, as it turned round and bit you in the ass one day?

damci · Post by **damci** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:11 pm

samuel090180 wrote:VW's used to be built in Germany, with German components and German labour, but modern day VW's are now built in Spain, this means that Spanish labour and Spanish components are used in the manufacturing process, this is why modern VW's have lost the reliability and build quality which they were once renowned for.

VW's are still built in germany, there HQ is still in wolfsburg they just have factories around the world like every other car manufacturer. Spanish components are not used, german products are used as it's a german manufacturer

I'd like to know where you heard different?

samuel090180 · Post by **samuel090180** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:35 pm

My friend is a VW Sales Executive who works in central London, and that is where I got my information from, VW's are not built in Germany anymore.

damci · Post by **damci** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:42 pm

samuel090180 wrote:My friend is a VW Sales Executive who works in central London, and that is where I got my information from, VW's are not built in Germany anymore.

bull sh*t fella

taken from VW's website:

The Wolfsburg plant is one of the largest and most advanced car factories in the world as well as the headquarters of the Volkswagen Group, and is located in North Germany.

The 5 square kilometre factory has some of the most sophisticated and innovative vehicle manufacturing facilities anywhere, including the largest state-of-the-art paint shop in Europe, the first to use eco-friendly water based paints. At Wolfsburg, Volkswagen employs a unique combination of automation and human skill in a system so effective that each new Volkswagen car, with millions of possible design variations, can be built to each customer's individual preferences. While no two Volkswagen cars are exactly alike, every one of them comes with Volkswagen's legendary reliability.

Press Shop
The press shop at Wolfsburg processes 1,500 metric tonnes of sheet metal every day, that's enough freight to fill thirty specially designed railways cars. Here the sheet metal is cut and pre-stamped into special plates and is then fully galavinised. Volkswagen have increased capacity in this area so that now 160 of today's presses have a greater capacity than nearly 400 presses had just 20 years ago.

Did you know?
The tools which weigh up to 50 metric tonnes, can be changed in just over ten minutes.

Body Shop
The body shop is next in the production process. Volkswagen have invested in new and flexible technologies to create the best possible conditions for car manufacturing in the future. The plant can now react quicker to customers wants, the increasing variety of models, marketplace fluctuations or model changes. Various models can be built right after one another on the same line with no major modifications or delay.

Did you know?
The roof is welded onto the body with a perfect seal in a mere ten seconds.

Paint Shop
The results achieved in the paint shop are a shining example of a philosophy to attain supreme quality in every step of the production process. After an intensive pre-treatment with all seams, folds and joints sealed, each car goes through to have sealants, colour and protective layers applied.

Assembly Line
After the body and paint shop comes the assembly line, where engines and features are brought together in precise configurations. After assembly, rigorous measurements, final adjustments and performance tests are carried out to ensure the quality customers expect from Volkswagen.

They also have numerous VW factories accross western Germany so I think your pretend friend is feeding you crap, theres the door, goodbye

samuel090180 · Post by **samuel090180** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:44 pm

Redline wrote:Just out of interest here, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

Is it that the Polo GTi has had gearbox problems? If it is, then you're preaching to the converted as enough people on here recognise that some have had issues with this.

Alternatively, is it an attempt to show that modern VW's aren't as well built as their forerunners? As once again, thats probably true. But I think if you look across the board of German car manufacturers in many cases this is true. Competition is a lot stronger, market forces want a bigger new car with more equipment, more safety features, better environment impact. The company needs profit. Something has to give, and sadly it seems to have been quality control in many cases (see Mercedes A, C, ML-Class). Can't have everything for nothing.

How about that Ford is better than VW? I'm not even going to mention that, as it's quite frankly a subjective nightmare.

Or, is it to justify to yourself the fact you sold your GTi, as it turned round and bit you in the ass one day?

Please visit http://www.peachorlemon.com , and you will be enlightened about VW's reliability in comaprison to that of Ford's.

samuel090180 · Post by **samuel090180** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:47 pm

You have just cut & pasted an entire page.............lol