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so where is this german one I've heard about hiding??

My mate is well up for the challenge!! Looks like we are in for a lot of measuring and head scratching, then some more measuring and a little more head scratching!!

As for the chassis, it looks like a seam-welded engine bay and a full multipoint cage is the solution for strengthening...

A company near me make custom driveshafts so that's them taken care of... just need to see if the engine actually fits in the 'bay!!!

So basically, as for researching the conversion, there is no research!! Damn... a whole lot of stick-it-in-and-see-what's-what!!!
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might as well rear mount then... :P
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Erm... Yeah. Sorry Rob. Came up empty.

I'll keep trying, see if something comes up!
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Post by Geezer »

It seems that everyone is doing either G40's, or AJV engines (the 1.6 16v out of the GTI).

u got any info of this conversion into a mk4?

am considering doing this but wanted to see how well it works etc

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Hi Geezer -

If you're referring to the Mk5 Gti engine, it's a relatively easy conversion. The engine bolts up just like the original lump would. Electronics wise, it's a bit more complicated, as the Mk5 Gti has E-gas. Or, in English, an electronically controlled accelerator pedal. Still, it's all quite doable, no welding, no fabricating of driveshafts (since you use the same gearbox and driveshafts as the Gti has)... etc. Brake upgrade is a must, as Rob has already mentioned.

Now, the G40... Bit lost really. I suspect that the engine will bolt up, but I haven't investigated this conversion at all to be honest... Sorry.

Only seen it three times or so, I'm guessing it's much less popular than the AJV conversion.
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Post by SpikeyG40 »

dub envy wrote:
My mate is well up for the challenge!! Looks like we are in for a lot of measuring and head scratching, then some more measuring and a little more head scratching!!
don't forget between the head scratching and measuring are the cups of tea! do all engineers do it? :lol:

i've seen VR6's in a mk4 polo, one in a lupo, putting one into a mk3 is new on me! untouched teritory, step carefully!
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damn right carefully!!

If it all goes t**s up, i could be left with a perfectly good fsh shell that is no good to anyone....
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Post by hayesey »

like speedlaw says the mk5 GTi engine will bolt right into a mk4 but its drive-by-wire to theres no accelerator cable. i should imagine the pedal box out of the mk5 will simply bolt into the mk4 tho.

G40 is a pretty easy conversion in early mk4's (the ones with SPi engines in) as they are based on the same block. even then the top engine mount has to be fabricated but electrics wise its not too bad. sum1 i know paid about 1700 for the complete conversion.

on later mk4's its a different story, theres a lot more electrics to fiddle with & even more different mounts I'm lead to believe. it has been done in germany tho (see www.g-lader.info).
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Post by Speedlaw »

Robbie:

I've asked on a Dutch Polo forum - the responses were for the most part along the lines of:

"It can't be done."
"He's mad."
"It can't be done."
"Tell him to fit it behind the front seats."
"Handling will be crap."

Repeat that last line 5 times.

No info on the steering rack / subframe issues.

Not giving up yet!
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Post by KarlM »

I've found these, i know there not GTs but if these can make it work i'm sure you can...

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Post by Speedlaw »

My thoughts exactly Karl. The Mk1 Golf may be slightly bigger, but it's bound to be similar in weight. The Lupo is inspirational too...
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Post by Speedlaw »

Evidence.

Exhibit A:

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Exhibit B:

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Now all I need to know is how in the blue hell did they put them in???
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Post by dub envy »

They have some mighty wide sticky out wheels on them. Both cars look like 15's too. Which mean they are prolly using complete VR6 everything underneath....
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