Engine Query?

Chat about your MKIII (86C) inc GT/G40 Polo
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Post by Tahrey1043 »

Quite possibly both... maybe overfuelling (i'm assuming, as you didnt say which way it recco'd to adjust the mixture - there's separate pics for "too rich" and "too lean") and/or badly adjusted timing as well. Both I'd suspect of being culprits in this situation. Not that I know much but just parroting stuff I've heard before :)

P'raps your timing belt slipped... or your lambda probe is a bit dodgy... or maybe that cam is throwing both things out for some reason (certainly it might not be set right for the timing). Especially if you've had to have it apart to get the head sorted out etc, was it all put back together properly?

Best thing if you can afford it is to drag it down to a garage that offers an engine tuning service, so it can be looked at by people who deal with this sort of thing all the time... there's enough of them about.
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Post by concept-e »

Right, its quite bad now. Been running much worse, the shuddering is turning into quite violent stop/start and the car isn't running properly continously. It is sometimes hard to start too. I think I need to go to a garage Tahrey1043, your right.

Or could it be blocked injectors? Might give it a fuel flush tonight as I have run it quite low before, being a skint student. Guess that could have picked up some muck from the bottom of the tank.

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Also, how do I adjust the fuel mixture, and the idle?? Want another opinion other than Haynes'!!

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Post by Tahrey1043 »

Get a mate to help tow you to the nearest respectable (but non-dealer) garage pronto. I haven't a clue on all that kind of stuff, just what the basic symptoms might be. It sounds too serious to be mucking about with a home bodge.

(then again it could be deceptive, so you might want to take an hour tracing through all the troubleshooty bits of the workshop manual and seeing if there's an easy fix - THEN getting a mate to tow you if you dont find anything)
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Yeh will do mate. Just so frustrating. Today it ran fine for about 5 minutes. Then decided to Kangaroo for the next 15. Then it ran fine for another 5. Before it all started to go t**s up again! I have no money and need the car. But your right, if I keep it up for any longer I swear my engine mounts will snap and my backbox fall off!!!!

Will keep you posted on what happens, but in the mean time if you think of anything, please give us a shout!

Steve (An upset and rather worried Polo owner!)
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Post by hardhitter »

Ok

If you aren't sure about the head gasket job, do a compression test first. Providing thats all fine, make sure the timing marks line up (which I presume they do).

If all that is fine, it sounds like the hall sender / dizzy might be knackered. A break down in the ignition system would cause the symptoms you have described. Check that and all your ignition connections etc.

A fuelling problem is unlikely to to give the violent stop start shuddering you describe.
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I might have the same problem !

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it started couple of weeks ago and yesterday I have found out that one of the pipes coming out of the engine - the one near the oil top up cap - is sorted disintegrated, I have got no idea what it is for as I never have to deal with it, apart from filling petrol water and oil - as it always has been serviced by local vw garage - for last 10 years ! (wife's old car! – now it is mine!)

Anyway, this might be your problem too. I am guessing that overheating problem your car had might have accelerated the melt down, as this pipe is not well isolated.

(I am hoping to get it fixed soon but I would love to learn more about this problem - any idea what is this pipe for? does it suppose to build a bridge between engine and gearbox (nightmare if I have got a damaged gearbox!) ) Anyway, I wish you all trouble free travelling!
Kind regards
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Without a photo I can't say for certain, but i'm 90% sure that's probably your breather pipe..... mine hasn't had one since i bought it, doesnt seem to make much difference.. occasionaly squirts a little oil out onto the cam cover at the top (and probably a bit more in the other places where it's supposed to connect e.g. crank cover) if i abuse it, but apart from that i think it's just an emissions measure. Doesn't connect to the gearbox at all by the way... does have a link to the air box IIRC?

Wouldn't discount it as a problem, but i've run 20 months without it having any apparent real effect, and getting it replaced is likely to be hassle one way or the other... its a very odd shaped rubber thing that has to connect in a couple other very awkward places further down!
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I had a problem with my polo when I was pulling out of a junction (little power) and it stalling when idle. I took it into my garage a few times and they couldn't find anything, so I spoke to someone who asked my what petrol I was useing (Sainsburys at the time), he suggested I used essco, which might make it run a bit better.

It didn't just run a bit better it cured the problem and I got better acceleration, no stalling and I managed 115mph (out of my 1050cc). It ran ok untill I moved to uni and my nearest petrol station was BP, that was a major mistake, pulling out of junction, I could of pushed it faster, I constanlly stalled and on the motorway 55mph was all I could get out of it. I found a essco station and it runs like an angel again(touch the accerlerator and it flys)
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Well I have heard tell of certain petrol stations watering down their fuel with various things to make a litre stretch further (and therefore sell the same real amount for more, or lower the apparent prices with no penalty). Was a big stink about it in my uni town while i was there. Thought that sort of thing was all cleared up though.

This may be a problem of that ilk (IIRC it wasn't exactly water, but some cheaper petrol-type substance that doesnt make your engine work anywhere near as well but mixes and doesnt cause a lot of damage)... but seems a bit of an extreme case. Wouldn't everyone's cars be spluttering out of that station if it was 100% the fuel's fault? Perhaps something's dodgy and borderline with your engine and it's just the "cheaper" petrol has combustion characteristics that aren't as forgiving as, say, Esso's that has lots of funny additives in.

After all if it's a 1043, they're supposed to be able to run on petrol that's like scooter juice compared to the bigger engines (especially the gt/g40). They're happy on anything down to 91 octane, which you can't even buy in this country any more (i think the leaded equivalent would have been 2-star? - which is why they seem so perky on "normal" 95 octane unleaded, which is more like 4-star), and below that they work but "at reduced power"... no mention in the manual of it stalling...

Could be a matter of additives doing stuff, you mentioned that it not only went funny at the supermarket (likely to be the cheapest, unaltered raw petrol) but at BP as well (who probably put things in the normal fuel as well as the plain wierd lookin' "Ultimate"). Esso likely as not put additives in, but different ones. Maybe some more compatible with your engine than others. In any case, give it a proper check over (plugs, leads, air/oil filters, blockages in the intake, coolant & oil levels, run some injector cleaner in the tank etc) and if there's nothing else that you (or a pro mechanic if its real bad) can find, and you still think it's the petrol, get in touch with trading standards quickly and see if there's been other complaints from drivers using that station, maybe through the local newspapers.

I'm still jealous of anyone who gets 115 from their 1043.... what petrol was that again (and which mountain?!). Seriously, you're up on the rev limiter there in 4th (for 4-speed or economy box... 5th for close-ratio), and only pulling about 80% of max power any more ;) (more doable in eco-5th, i suppose..).
Even on a very good day, getting it into the indicated 150kmh range is a triumph... but, topping out at 55, thats gotta hurt :( Even with the ignition and air filter troubles I've had before, performance wasn't hurt THAT badly.. once it was running past 2000rpm, it was quite happy and would go up to the motorway limit alright. 55mph is a sign you're effectively on about one and a half cylinders (say... 1/3 of potential output.... though that's not a peak power speed in any gear, except 3rd in a close-ratio, so maybe 2 cylinders/one-half power? still sucks in any case)

try a different garage perhaps? (maybe one close to that dodgy BP petrol station?)
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Well mine is going into the garage tommorrow, it was too serious for me to keep buying more and more bits to see if that "might cure it"! So fingers crossed they can sort it. I am having bigtime withdrawal symtoms from not having my Polo since Friday. Something I have only experienced when the Head Gasket went.

With regards to the petrol, Mmm, not convinced. I have been filling up at a variety of petrol stations and not noticed any difference. Surely it would be an outrage if companies put stuff in which harmed performance etc??? But nevertheless I am off to my local Esso garage 1st thing once I get my car back!

I managed 95mph with 4 people in the car! Thats 1043cc power for ya!! Maybe with a bit off Esso juice I can top 100!

One last point, possibly not the best place to ask, but what are people's opinions of Corrado's? My mate wants to get one, (1.8, 16v) and I am still deciding whether to be jealous or not!!!

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Post by Tahrey1043 »

Depends on the wheels and how accurate the speedo is, but well done :)

I can't get over 85 with passengers... (they start shouting at me to slow down! apparently my car "wasn't made to go so fast"... funny how a 90 cruise can get so boring then because of such a settled ride, it's from the country of autobahn after all! well.. boring apart from the noise that is)
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concept-e wrote:...I am having bigtime withdrawal symtoms from not having my Polo since Friday...
Hope all gets sorted for you. Impressed with the 95mph. Am yet to open mine up a bit. It never has been given a bit of stick, what with my auntie being very conservative. I bet the thing hasn't seen a motorway!

Let us know what happens.

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Post by Tahrey1043 »

give it fresh oil, a good couple hundred miles running back in, and you should see the ton, with a bit of patience and a heavy foot :D
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Post by concept-e »

MY POLO IS BACK!!!

there was a breakdown in the HT leads. Typical, that was the next thing I was going to replace. Instead I took it to the garage, thinking it was much worse. I didn't want to spend £37 on a new set of leads, if there was just a chance it would cure it. In the end the garage charged me £60. But they did a compression test on the H/gasket change, and checked the ignition timing. That included labour etc, so not bad eh??!!

Im so glad to have my car back. Even feels nippier, but i guess thats the withdrawal symtoms wearing off!

(A Very Grateful) Steve
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