cheap g40 on autotrader

metz · Post by **metz** » Thu May 13, 2004 7:06 am

check this out guys.....http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/ca ... ull=SEARCH

only Â£895.. will make a good project or donor car for one of you guys

Karl_CLCoupe · Post by **Karl_CLCoupe** » Thu May 13, 2004 11:34 am

I wish lol. Even if I did an engine transplant from it to mine, the insurance company (who are currently laughing at me right now trying to get insurance on a 1.3 CL), would roll over and die of laughter. Would love to upgrade to a G at some point tho.

Karl

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Thu May 13, 2004 12:06 pm

You could always temporarily remove the charger and swap on a CL head and injector... voila... a 55hp Spi

(what's a "stage 2" charger anyhow? people been playing too much Gran Turismo?

)

Hmmm.... Needs "minor tidying" for MoT... they could be honest and that means, seat weld, new tyre... or it could be a big rusty hole in the right-hand side where it sat by a sea wall for a two weeks while the owners were on holiday, and some Kev keyed it the day after they left... plus a non-working speedo, and a de-cat all too hastily installed on a post-regulations car with no spare catted pipe for the test.

Krupa · Post by **Krupa** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:08 pm

Hmm... I wonder how much extra Adrian Flux would charge me if I stuffed a G40 engine in my car.

I can't afford that car, but I could possibly afford it if I nicked the engine and broke it for spares.

Krupa · Post by **Krupa** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:12 pm

Tahrey1043 wrote:(what's a "stage 2" charger anyhow? people been playing too much Gran Turismo? )

Have a look on the Jabbasport site under "Superchargers"

http://www.jabbasport.co.uk/

It's a standard service.

That's a pretty clean sounding car engine wise. Hmm again...

amstrange1 · Post by **amstrange1** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:20 pm

Go on Alex! You know you want to. I got a complete scrapper for Â£900 and have made a few hundred quid back from selling parts. Just budget for a set of new injectors straight away (Â£120 from Pitstop) and get the fuel pumps checked, you don't want a melted piston - I've not been out at uni properly since mine melted, and I still can't afford the rebuild...

metz · Post by **metz** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:31 pm

i would buy it myself if it were closer.
at that price its worth breaking it if its a state and flogging bits (keep engine though may come in handy

)

or one of you gt guys can buy it and sell me your gt

what an idea eh! lol

metz

Krupa · Post by **Krupa** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:36 pm

Insurance on my car with a G40 engine - only a Â£300 jump - I'm trembling with excitement!

Problems I've got though:

- I need somewhere to store the car till I can get the conversion done
- I need some willing souls to put the engine in (I'll pay you!)
- I need to get it towed - that could cost quite a bit.
- FINALLY I need to convince my parents... I'm going to call my Dad now...

Krupa · Post by **Krupa** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:41 pm

damn, Dad's in a meeting, calling him back in ten minutes...

My hands are shaking, don't know whether it's excitement or nerves.

I'm really close this time, and anyway at Â£300 even if I miss this one I can afford to insure a G40.

That's a pretty complete makeover - a respray and a new engine.

If I buy it, I get to break it for parts and effectively I'll have a full GT breaking as I'll have my old engine too.

So near... so f*****g near...

Krupa · Post by **Krupa** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:56 pm

Dad says I don't have a strong enough case to get this, reckons there's a lot of stuff which I need to think about before I get carried away.

Basically:

- I have exams on the 25th and 27th of May - really this would've been better if it had come up after these exams as I need to have a car to use for them and in the meantime I have work to do. So, this G40 needs a home until after my exams.

- Money- I'm not earning, though getting a G40 engine is more than enough motivation for me to get a job and besides I can sell parts.

- Fitting it - costs money, when and where would I get this done?

- Lack of MOT - he reckons I'll find a better one at a later date, I say as long as the engine's sound (which it seems to be) who gives a flying toss if the rest of the car's a bit shagged? At least I'll be able to hear it running AND I'd get everything I need for a conversion.

- Spare parts - where the hell would I store my old engine and all the bits off this? This one's stumped me. Would anyone be interested in a G40 shell after I'm done with it?

Pissed on my fire a bit, but he's prepared to discuss it later if I can get a case for this going.

I think my Dad needs to go for a ride in a G40, then he'd see why I'm so desperate to get one!

DanW · Post by **DanW** » Thu May 13, 2004 3:58 pm

damn, coome on!

Karl_CLCoupe · Post by **Karl_CLCoupe** » Thu May 13, 2004 6:28 pm

Krupa wrote:...Pissed on my fire a bit, but he's prepared to discuss it later if I can get a case for this going...

Reasons why you should get a G40 conversion:

1) G40's are rare cars, only 500 imported to the UK, so you can't let one go to waste can you?
2) The supercharged 1.3 in the mark 3 polo is going to make the thing fly.
etc, etc, etc

How to convince your dad:

1) "It won't be in your way long."
2) "I will pay for it all."
3) "I will let you have a go in it when its complete (maybe even let you borrow it?)"

See how that goes lol.

Karl

Karl_CLCoupe · Post by **Karl_CLCoupe** » Thu May 13, 2004 6:55 pm

Tahrey1043 wrote:You could always temporarily remove the charger and swap on a CL head and injector... voila... a 55hp Spi

So in theory I could bolt a blower on my current block, the head and injector and come up with something near G40 ish? Just a thought that occurred.

Karl

Tahrey1043 · Post by **Tahrey1043** » Fri May 14, 2004 12:55 am

Karl.... ehm... I dont know... but I think ppl have done that before. The G40 engine might be made of slightly more hardwaring stuff though as it has to cope with the boost pressure

Though I think the difference for CL to GT is basically that without the blower.

Oh, wait... you need the different ECU as well

Digifant (multi-injector) vs MonoMotronic (single injector) to go either way - CL to GT/40, GT/40 to CL.. *doh*

ah well

I still have thoughts of doing such a thing to my poor little 1043, assuming the pistons don't come up so high that they foul on the injectors (same bore, just different stroke). Making it Mpi would bring the power up around the 60hp mark, though the torque would only get a very small boost it would be over an even better (or at least, higher) spread than before

Which is about all the power I need (always knew 45 would be a bit borderline for comfortable cruising)... and Johnny Insurance or Mabel Tax need never know and in all likelihood wouldn't give two parps anyway as they seem mostly interested in cubic capacity. Plus it wouldn't be so much heavier, especially compared to putting a larger engine in. The fastest 1-litre on the block?

(pop a blower on there for more power (90hp), some nitrous as well to help the bottom end torque, a couple of small/light electric booster motors on the rear to help with fuel consumption/overtaking/tyre and clutch slip on take-off, take out some unneccessary things... like the rear bench, passenger seat, spare tyre, stereo and most of the fuel and washer fluid

fill the tyres with helium... and get ready for some real 1-litre Corsa ass whuppin muhahaha

)

Uh... where was I... oh yes

Krupa if you're maybe not *so* attached to your current car - why not sell on the (super clean looking) GT and go to work on the G40 as your only car - avoiding all that engine swapping ugliness? Assuming the minor MOT work is truthfully minor (ie a new tyre, replacing a blown bulb - phone the seller and ask them for solid details)... Put on the clear lights, wheels, and the other easily transferrable custom bits, take THAT one for the respray instead of your current car..... hm? That way may especially work more convincingly what with the prospect what may be Â£300+ worth of work (engine swap, respray) plus Â£300 insurance looming on what is really an Â£800 car (the GT)... vs just some tweaking, parts swapping and a spray on a Â£1500+ car that's being sold off cheap. I suspect the premium hike may be a little more "worth it" for a real one than a chop-up.

Besides there's the matter of the extra roll bar etc if you haven't got one fitted to yours.

If the work that needs done really is major... highlight how much value this will add to your current one, and you can sell both off later if needs be to cover your student loan costs

(course, you don't have to follow through with that once it's all finished)

(karl i think the third line of convincing dad will work best.. he might offer to help out then. krupa drop in some of the lines about all the modern cars it can nuke especially in pure power-to-weight terms... it p1sses all over the GTi and various other modern hot hatches for one thing, but dont ask me for details at the moment.. however the truth is out there, somewhere. i've seen it

)

oh... and krupa mate... regarding Jabbasport.. i'm still none the wiser. Can you explain it to me in plain english, no hardcore tuner jargon and stuff about perishing seals (little wonder, they live in the arctic the poor devils) in lots of little scroll boxes?

amstrange1 · Post by **amstrange1** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:35 am

You can't just bolt a charger on to a CL engine. The compression ratios are very different, and you'd blow the AAV lump in no time. The AAV block is also apparently weaker than the G40 PY one, and lacks the oil feed taps on the block for the charger as well as the fixing for the G40's knock sensor. Minor things that soon add up. It's a pain, because I have a G40 block with a knackered bore, and a reasonable AAV lump sitting in my shed - it could've saved me an expensive rebore on the PY lump if I could use the AAV block.

The differences between the CL and GT are more minor, but the GT does have a slightly higher compression ratio (to get a bit more oomph!) and a better oil breather system. As well as the multipoint injection of course...

I think Alex should hang on to his GT - after all, it's just been resprayed! I think he's already got G40 brakes, and seeing as it's a GT it'll already have the rear anti-roll bar in the rear beam. Not that it matters anyway!

Storing bits is always a pain in the ass - I can't offer any help on that front. But as far as actually doing the conversion goes I'm sure they'd be several people willing to travel to do the conversion - only problem is where to do it!