JBS Schrick Cams & Re-Map Quotation

[6N2 GTI 00]

Been speaking to the guys at JBS reference performance cam upgrades on the GTI, these are the prices being quoted.

With it being the VVT model your prices are as follows:-

Intake Cam 256 duration - £346.04
Exhaust Cam (choice of either 244 or 252 duration) - £318.68

Labour to fit @ 6hours - £352.50.
Custom-Code phase 2 Re-Map software, this comes in at £281.75 inc VAT.
Plus £10-15 for a new rocker cover gasket

Basically its £1300 + for the job with figures of 160bhp +

What do you guys reckon? obviously a lot of money but these guys are specialists

[1der]

make sure you can get the cams for your engine code.
Schrick dont make them for the arc code, as i was ment to have these fitted last year.
i ended up getting my standard cams reprofiled

[6N2 GTI 00]

How much did it cost you to get your standard cams re-profiled then?

JBS said they will research it for me but they are very experienced with the Polo & Lupo GTI Engines.

[1der]

around about £300 i think

[Bradley]

That is a nice figure Ben,and ive got a certain feeling of nippy N/A engines that a turbo dosent give you.These could make a GTI that bit special and a real hoot to drive.Only thing that worries me is how long the gearbox will last with the exta horses.I know it's a touchy subject and bought up far too often than it should be but 160-175 Bhp will put so much more stress on the little bugger.

Would you have plans to reinforce the box?.

[1der]

mines fine and is puttinh out tat figures roughly

[Bradley]

mines fine and is puttinh out tat figures roughly

Nice one thats cool to hear,it winds me up how people always moan about the gearbox but never gets any praise.Is it a recon or are you on the origional box dude?.

[6N2 GTI 00]

That is a nice figure Ben,and ive got a certain feeling of nippy N/A engines that a turbo dosent give you.These could make a GTI that bit special and a real hoot to drive.Only thing that worries me is how long the gearbox will last with the exta horses.I know it's a touchy subject and bought up far too often than it should be but 160-175 Bhp will put so much more stress on the little bugger.

Would you have plans to reinforce the box?.

Yeah its a tough decision to make, they are very pricey but I think the Polo would benefit nicely from that extra 30-40 bhp and allow it to compete with some of the hot hatches. As far as the gearbox is concerned that is the major concern (as per normal) but the plan would be to run it on the standard box initally until that goes and when it starts showing signs of wear & tear, I would take it to a gearbox specialist.

I dont see why it can't improved to handle the extra power, even if it means changing the ratio's, uprated bearings etc.
It's been proved by some Gti owners that if you look after the box it can last for well over 100,000 miles so I personally dont believe the gearbox is as bad as people make out, I am not suggesting that the Polo could run 160bhp + on a standard gearbox without any problems but I think it could be improved to cope with that power.

I will have to start saving and see how it goes

[Bradley]

Yeh i agree with you dude,an extra 40bhp would be lovely.I think it would transform the car in to a little animal.Definately be great fun through the B roads even more than they already are.Start saving man,id really consider this type of upgrade if all went well on a couple of yours.

Are the ARC cams not the same as the AVY then?.I thougth the engines were pretty identical mechanically,more trims and moldings that were different.

The box yeh i mean i find it a touchy subject,it really winds me up.First thing some pratt who dosent have a GTI says is "they have s**t gear boxes dont bother",but as you say anything is going to fall apart if it's abused and mistreated.I think it could be increased in strength,tougher bearings,rivets replaced with nuts and bolts.

Rally Spec all the way haha.

[1der]

my engine work was done by G0werks and they said the cams were the wrong type. in the end my schrick cams went back to schrick ij germany, along with my standard GTI cams. schric looked at mine and said they have never seen them before in a polo engine. the only cams they did were from the avy engine

As far as i can tell its the original box.its done almost 110,000 miles.gearbox oil was changed about 85,000

[6N2 GTI 00]

Yeh i agree with you dude,an extra 40bhp would be lovely.I think it would transform the car in to a little animal.Definately be great fun through the B roads even more than they already are.Start saving man,id really consider this type of upgrade if all went well on a couple of yours.

Are the ARC cams not the same as the AVY then?.I thougth the engines were pretty identical mechanically,more trims and moldings that were different.

The box yeh i mean i find it a touchy subject,it really winds me up.First thing some pratt who dosent have a GTI says is "they have **** gear boxes dont bother",but as you say anything is going to fall apart if it's abused and mistreated.I think it could be increased in strength,tougher bearings,rivets replaced with nuts and bolts.

Rally Spec all the way haha.

Rally Spec would be lovely

Yeah Bradley I think with that extra power it would make it even more exciting, they're already quick little cars as standard but fall short when compared to Clio Sport, Civic Type R, Ibiza Cupra's etc. The earlier GTI's like mine have the ARC engine code where as the later 2000-01 GTI's had the AVY engine codes. I will look into it further with JBS to see what's available but if what 1der says is correct then I will have to get my cams re-profiled.

I can't understand why they would change the cams though? Both engines types are identical in terms of performance.

Its good to know that 1der is still running the original box, with cams and its covered 110K, not bad at all

[Bradley]

My car was registered on 30th of June 2000 and has an ARC engine dude,don't worry you're not the only one haha.I cant see the cams being different to be honest,i thought the engines had very very minimal changes and was more in the side of trims and fitting as opposed to mechanical parts.

Keep this updated im quite interested in the results.

Brad

[6N2 GTI 00]

Mine was registered in January 2000 and also shares the ARC engine code
Like yourself I can't see them using different cam shafts, Schrick probably dont recognise the engine code but I am positive the ARC & AVY will both be suitable for the Schrick high lift cams.

I just need to decide whether to go for the 244 or 252 cams.
244 are more suitable for day to day driving and dont have a lumpy idle like the 252 cams, however the 252 cams improve top end speeds

I will keep you updated but its certainly on the cards

[6N2 GTI 00]

Right the cam shafts for the ARC and AVY engine are identical, Schrick have confirmed that to JBS so the quotation is valid for both engine codes.

Now that issue is cleared up its time to seriously start saving

[Bradley]

Thats pretty cool,well at least confirmed what we thought anyway.

Thing is i could buy this right now but unfortunately my priorities have to be elsewhere.