Front fog lamp and cruise retrofit kits? UPDATE PG2 - Cruise

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Re: Any interest in complete front fog lamp retrofit kits?

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foodie9n wrote:Ahhh!! Got you now dude - how much would a fuse cost and I guess its pretty easy to fit?

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Pennies, just get something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Line-Automoti ... 483d5f20e7

Put it in line with the wire that goes to the headlamp switch, within 6 inches of the terminal.

Ash :)
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Re: Any interest in complete front fog lamp retrofit kits?

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On a side note, if you do decide to do cruise control kits using OEM parts, I'd definitely be interested. It's something I promise to do every time I'm on the motorway, and never get round to actually doing lol
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Cruise is actually a piece off cake to do if you're handy with a screwdriver and have vagcom. Kits are available for £100 + postage, but I think it can be done cheaper.

My main problem is the loom - I *think* I've sussed the wiring, but I'm not 100% sure. The last thing I want is to plug the loom into my car and start a small electrical fire :shock: Also, I can't figure out the part number of some of the terminals without having seen them in person, so that's another no go.

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Reverse engineering something you've never seen or touched is extremely tricky. The cogs in my head were hurting by the time I'd finished that diagram! Maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy one of the available looms for £35 to confirm the wiring and try and ascertain the terminals I'm missing. The only annoyance is, for what it costs to make a loom, £35 + pp is a rip-off. I could make and sell them for half that price delivered and still make a profit :roll:

Anyway, I'm off to my parts supplier for some bits tomorrow. I'll try and find out the price of the bits required to retrofit cruise and get back to you.

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Ok, made some progress on the cruise control loom today:

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I figured out all the parts needed, including the terminals I wasn't sure about. (plus some random stuff for the fog lamps) and went in and priced them up. There's good news and bad news. Bad news first.

Cruise control isn't 100% plug and play. Whilst it's 95% plug and play, you'll need a soldering iron. The existing kit on the market is available from kufatec for £98 posted. Instructions on how to retrofit cruise control using the loom supplied in that kit is here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... eFRm9xZNxw

As you can see, that isn't 100% plug and play either, you need a soldering iron to add some wiring to the fusebox. The main hurdle is accessing the T11a plug, which is in the bowels of the dash. I spent a couple of hours earlier today trying to get to that plug, and was unsuccessful, even with my skinny girl hands and arms. I actually managed to slice one of my fingers open in the process too :(

So, unless you fancy removing the entire dash, it's almost impossible to get to that plug. However, I propose a solution. The wire that needs to be added to this inaccessible plug goes to pin 14 on the ECU. I suggest removing the ECU wiring harness in the engine bay and tapping into the wire that goes to pin 14, solder another wire onto it and insulate this with heatshrink. Then, run this new wire through the firewall (through a gap which a wire for the ABS controller goes) and connect this to the harness instead.

It sounds more complicated than it is, here's the condensed version. - it takes about 15 minutes to do. You need to remove the airbox from the car and then unplug the ECU harness and add another wire to it and run that to the interior.

So, instead of soldering one wire, you'll need to solder two. However, I can quite easily modify my proposed version of the harness so you don't have to add a wire to the fusebox. I can add a plug and play OE VW housing adapter with terminals - unplug the connector on the brake pedal switch, plug this adapter into the brake pedal switch and then connect the original brake pedal connector to this adapter.

That just leaves you with the wire that goes to the ECU. You can chose what to do with that. You can either try and access the T11a connector in the dash and add the wire to the plug, or you can do I said and add a new wire to the ECU.

Now the good news:
The parts to actually build the loom don't cost too much. The brand new indicator stalk on the other hand costs around £70. The kufatec harness and stalk come in at £98 delivered, for cars with and without MFD (multifunctional display / trip computer), and will not work with the 1.2l engines.

I propose preliminary pricing at £90 delivered for cars with MFD and £85 delivered for cars without MFD, comprising of a brand new genuine VAG cruise control stalk and custom made wiring harness using genuine VAG parts

The harness would be similar to the kufatec harness meaning you'd need a soldering iron and would have to add a wire to the fusebox. The brakelight switch adapter would add a few pounds to the cost, but would make this a true plug and play kit if you can get to the T11a connector. However, personally I feel running a new wire from the ECU is an easier option. That's what a number of firms (I won't name names) chose to do when retrofitting cruise as well.

Feedback is welcomed and appreciated. My supplier said if I can get a few orders in, they would give me a generous discount on part, which I would pass onto you.

I'll have another go at getting to the apparently inaccessible T11a plug and report back.

Thoughts please.

Ash :)
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id be interested bud, i fitted cruise to my passat and ive been thinking about it for the polo once ive sorted the abs problem and clutch :lol:

i know what you mean about slicing fingers under the dash, the metal framework is sharp as f**k :shock:
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88rsr wrote:id be interested bud, i fitted cruise to my passat and ive been thinking about it for the polo once ive sorted the abs problem and clutch :lol:

i know what you mean about slicing fingers under the dash, the metal framework is sharp as f**k :shock:
We should meet up one day if you're up for it. You're not that far away from me. We could try and suss getting to that stupid T11a plug and play about in an attempt to get remote windows working.

Might just take the entire dash out to get to T11a. Not exactly hard, just time consuming.

Ash :)
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could do bud, would have to be when the missus is over at mine otherwise its a bit more of a treck from doncaster :mrgreen:
need to get the chuffin abs problem sorted too as thats a proper pain, makes the car rev up etc until it recognises the fault and disables the abs, can see that one wheel speed sensor is reading differently but its not the sensor itself, pretty sure its the wiring but its taking the plunge to buy it without being 100%

anyway back on topic yeah will have to arrange something :D
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Re: Front fog lamp and cruise retrofit kits? UPDATE PG2 - Cr

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I've been having a look under the dash to find T11a. It's becoming the bane of my life... Am I right in thinking that it's on the bulkhead behind the instrument cluster, visible through the relay access panel to the right of the steering wheel?

Haven't tried it yet, but is it possible to drop the fusebox out of the way and get to it through the side panel? Sorry if this has been tried before and I'm just late to the party...
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You're correct, it's a right pain to get to (this is me talking with my size 6 girl hands and skinny arms). You can just about make it out (maybe not the T11 plug specifically, but the bunch of plugs in that area) looking through with the relay cover removed. I've removed the under dash panel and dropped the CCM and relay plate, but still no joy. Not managed to drop the fusebox due to some reason.

It may be easier to get at once the steering wheel and surround is off, which you need to do anyway to fit the stalk.

Me and 88rsr may have a go at doing it in the next month or so. Should be a bit easier with two heads (and more importantly, four hands!) working out the best way to get to it.

I'm just bamboozled by this - I managed to replace the v68 heater motor by just taking out the glovebox (dash out job according to VW), but can't get at this plug.

The other issue is, without getting to that damn plug, I can't even make up a prototype loom as I need to figure out the length of the wires. It will be done though.

Ash :)
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Re: Front fog lamp and cruise retrofit kits? UPDATE PG2 - Cr

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Any chance of a fitting service? :lol:

Whilst I love the idea of having cruise control, I HATE vehicle electrics with a passion...
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Possibly. Once I've figured out how to get to the T11a connector. There's three of us on the case now, it's a bit of a bugger to get to :lol:

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Sorry, I know this is an extremely old thread, was just wondering if you made any progress though?

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