Are You Using Oil?

[CTCELT900]

Does the oil problem just affect VW Polo TSI or does it affect other VW Group cars like the Seat Ibiza TSI? Just wondering, as I am considering getting a Seat Ibiza 1.2 TSI DSG next year, don't want to get it if I have to top up the oil every month.

No - I don't think you will have any problems with a 1.2 TSI, the issue just seems to be with the twin charge 180PS 1.4 engine in the Polo. I have not heard of any issues with similar engines on the Seat or Audi.

Cheers for that. Would have considered a VW Polo 1.2 DSG TSI but they don't do them in the UK, only the manual version.

[Edi30]

Exactly. Fingers crossed for you mate:)

My car is in now having the new rings/scrapers fitted and should be ready at the end the week. Not expecting it to be a success. Getting to the point where the car needs this much work has made me realise that this really is unacceptable for a new car and I am seriously thinking of rejecting it. I have a meeting scheduled with the sales manager when the work has been completed to discuss options

[Edi30]

Also had a look at the TPI ( asked for a copy but VW won't allow these to be circulated outside the business) it was dated 22/07/11 and was titled something like Heavy oil usage and premature piston ring wear. There was no mention of this being restricted to a batch of engines or to chassis numbers there were two references one was engine code CAVE and a work card number which appeared to be unique.

The TPI had details of the tests to be carried out as I stated before and also contained details of the high level work to be carried out such as remove front bumper, head lights and others like remove head and sump with times for each. I asked about honing and the tech told me that they use a tool to clean the bores which they decribed as like emery cloth on a round drill attachment which will give the rings a prepared surface to work against when rebuilt. I have no idea if this is enough to be considered as honing but appears to be better than nothing.

[skipster]

Also had a look at the TPI ( asked for a copy but VW won't allow these to be circulated outside the business) it was dated 22/07/11 and was titled something like Heavy oil usage and premature piston ring wear. There was no mention of this being restricted to a batch of engines or to chassis numbers there were two references one was engine code CAVE and a work card number which appeared to be unique.

The TPI had details of the tests to be carried out as I stated before and also contained details of the high level work to be carried out such as remove front bumper, head lights and others like remove head and sump with times for each. I asked about honing and the tech told me that they use a tool to clean the bores which they decribed as like emery cloth on a round drill attachment which will give the rings a prepared surface to work against when rebuilt. I have no idea if this is enough to be considered as honing but appears to be better than nothing.

This is very interesting Edi30, like yourself I am not expecting replacement rings to make much difference. I have now covered the 1000km and am trying to contact my dealer. My dealer is normally very quick to get back to me but I am having to do some chasing even though I am on a 'priority' case, or so I thought. I think things have moved on since I was last at the dealer and where last month the fix was new piston rings/scrapers, this may now not be the case.

I suspect VW are in a bit of a quandary with this situation.

Like yourself I am not happy with major work to be potentially carried out, things never go back quite the same as an original factory build. I would be looking to potentially reject the car if this does not prove to be satisfactory.

[gavs]

Also had a look at the TPI ( asked for a copy but VW won't allow these to be circulated outside the business) it was dated 22/07/11 and was titled something like Heavy oil usage and premature piston ring wear. There was no mention of this being restricted to a batch of engines or to chassis numbers there were two references one was engine code CAVE and a work card number which appeared to be unique.

The TPI had details of the tests to be carried out as I stated before and also contained details of the high level work to be carried out such as remove front bumper, head lights and others like remove head and sump with times for each. I asked about honing and the tech told me that they use a tool to clean the bores which they decribed as like emery cloth on a round drill attachment which will give the rings a prepared surface to work against when rebuilt. I have no idea if this is enough to be considered as honing but appears to be better than nothing.

Interesting that it seems to only affect the CAVE engine, not any of the other CAV platforms so it seems that indeed, it is limited to the Polo GTI and probably the Audi A1 Sport. Emery cloth on a drill attachment?! no, I wouldn't call that re-honing, I would call that a cheap-ass dodgy method to de-glaze the bore. I properley honed cylinder bore generally has a cross hatched pattern on it, this would remove that.

To the poster that suggested contacting the media, i would say that's a bloody good idea. VW keep winning awards for a car that is catastrophically flawed, they need to learn a lesson.

[JohnPolo]

I suggested contacting the car publications and have done so. (Editor of auto-express so far) Feel free to do the same. Let's see if they are interested in this story. We need the clout of a major mag to get some answers from VW.

[skipster]

I suggested contacting the car publications and have done so. (Editor of auto-express so far) Feel free to do the same. Let's see if they are interested in this story. We need the clout of a major mag to get some answers from VW.

Nice move John, I will do the same. I now have my car booked in for the oil 'weigh' test in just over a weeks time. They will then decide what to do next.

[biff+]

Boo hoo a bit of oil. There are people out there with dodgy DSGs that are putting the individual in danger.

[JohnPolo]

Oil ..DSG's ..does it matter?! Basically we have cars not fit for purpose. Mine is stuck at the dealers for the last week and is probably going to be there for another two as the oil and engine situation is stuffed. I'm not allowed to drive it.

[skipster]

Boo hoo a bit of oil. There are people out there with dodgy DSGs that are putting the individual in danger.

Whats this guy on?

[Edi30]

Boo hoo a bit of oil. There are people out there with dodgy DSGs that are putting the individual in danger.

Whats this guy on?

Hmm I have sympathised with the DSG issue as with all these major problems we are in it together. All I can say after repeated sarcastic posts biff+ you are a waste of DNA!

[blazeguarder]

I suggested contacting the car publications and have done so. (Editor of auto-express so far) Feel free to do the same. Let's see if they are interested in this story. We need the clout of a major mag to get some answers from VW.

Aren't EVO running a GTi long termer? Would be interesting to see if they have the problems that you guys are having...

[POLOZ]

Real pitty to hear about this! VW should really own up to this and should either go back to the drawing board and suss this problem out or refund its customer (which will probably not happen).

Althought apart from the gearbox issue in the mk6 polo gti which was rectified in the later ones there were no reported Oil problems iirc!

Has this also been a problem in the VRs, Ibiza Cupra and bocanegra?

[JohnPolo]

Yes you are right, Evo do have a car and guess what the oil light has just come on apparently. They are going to look into this.
We could of course reject our cars under ' Breach of warranty'.

A party to a contract is entitled to perfect performance of a contract. Where performance is not in accordance with the contractual terms, the party failing to perform will be in breach of the contract. Whether or not this is a repudiatory breach or a breach of warranty depends upon the relative importance of the term of the contract that has not been complied with.
The innocent party is entitled to claim damages for a breach of warranty, but is not entitled to terminate the contract and bring both parties obligations to an end. It must be a breach of condition to entitle the innocent party to terminate the contract.
Usage: The supplier was in breach of warranty for failing to deliver the goods that satisfied the implied warranty of quality of fitness for purpose

[biff+]

Boo hoo a bit of oil. There are people out there with dodgy DSGs that are putting the individual in danger.

Whats this guy on?

Hmm I have sympathised with the DSG issue as with all these major problems we are in it together. All I can say after repeated sarcastic posts biff+ you are a waste of DNA!

Wow, a post from you that doesn't reference former cars and experiencing no problems with them.

I'm not after sympathy, precious. In fact, after being on here for a few months, I've realised that I'm not going to take anything away really. In the main, it's a group of sycophantic kids sucking each other off.