Cars delivered before 31 august 2018

[mike sel]

Hi al

I was at my VW dealership on Friday just signing the agreements and arranging to collect my new POLO SEL (this Friday, yea) and as part of the discussion I asked if I could collect 1st Sept on a 68 plate, He told me any car delivered before 31 august 2018 must be registered by the 31 August 2018. No hold overs. Something to do with the cars delivered before this date not complying with the new emissions tests. Which is apparently why they are not manufacturing for two months starting soon. then once the new tests are complete and they can start making the POLO again deliveries will restart with the first compliant cars arriving in the UK in October 18.

So anyone out there hoping to sit and wait for the 68 plate ..its not going to happen according to my VW dealer.

[TElwoody]

Just really hope they don't have to fit those enginge choking particulate filters and drop the performance, flexibility and reliability of the engine. Though it'll probably happen, just gotta see i suppose

[SRGTD]

Just really hope they don't have to fit those enginge choking particulate filters and drop the performance, flexibility and reliability of the engine. Though it'll probably happen, just gotta see i suppose

Looks like a particulate filter will be fitted; see the video link I’ve just posted in the ‘New GTI + Delivery’ discussion thread.

[monkeyhanger]

Mike Sel:

Your dealer is having you on there. 3 months is a long time to want to hold over a car for next plate. They don't want to wait 3 months for your money during what is a quiet period for them (sales targets), nor be responsible for the storage and wellbeing of the car for such a long period.

If a car was delivered to the dealership on 30 Aug 18, they'd be hard pushed to get it unwrapped, PDI'd and prepped for customer pick-up the folliwing day to comply with the tall tale your dealer is telling you.

If there are any WLTP compliance deadlines to meet, they'll be reliant on the manufacturing date and not customer delivery date. According to VW UK a few weeks ago, my GTI+ is getting built next week. According to the tracker for my order code it is getting built the week after. Either way, it is expected in the UK at the back end of July, and the supplying dealer us going to register it for 68 plate and deliver 01 Sep 2018. It can be done.

[monkeyhanger]

Just really hope they don't have to fit those enginge choking particulate filters and drop the performance, flexibility and reliability of the engine. Though it'll probably happen, just gotta see i suppose

Looks like a particulate filter will be fitted; see the video link I’ve just posted in the ‘New GTI + Delivery’ discussion thread.

The up! GTI has one already, it is the only WLTP VW in the range right now. If a performance affecting PPF is all i'm missing out on in model year cganges for being an early adopter then i'll be happy. If I miss out on a 7 speed DSG that'll hive an extra 5mpg then i'll be a little annoyed.

[SRGTD]

I read on another forum (think it was Seat, but can’t remember for sure) where a customer had also been advised by their dealer that their car needed to be registered by 31st Aug on an 18 plate, so maybe Mike sel‘s dealer isn’t having him on.

Mike doesn’t say in his post that the dealer has said the car has to be delivered to the customer - he has said ‘any car delivered’ which could mean delivered to the dealership by 31/08 rather than the customer, although it would take the shine off picking up a new car registered an 18 plate on 1st Sept or later.

If delivery is to the dealership and not the customer by 31st Aug, then presumably the dealer can register the car by the Aug 31st deadline - presumably they can register it as soon as they have the vehicle VIN if they have a range of 18 plate registration number allocation available to them to use, and maybe there’s a DVLA fast track registration process for dealers to register vehicles in a situation such as this?

[monkeyhanger]

Just looked up the WLTP stages. It does say that Sept onward all cars are supposed to be WLTP compliant, but as always, there is an exception - dealers have until Sept 2019 to sell a limited number of stock cars that are compliant with the previous regime of testing.

If the current GTI isn't WLTP compliant then that seems a bit shoddy of VW, considering that they only started building them 7 weeks ago. They should have been WLTP compliant from the get-go if the model hasn't been available prior to.Sept 17 (according to the WLTP info site I was on).

I don't think there's a WLTP requirement to have PPFs on the petrol models for Sept 18, just to have CO2 and economy figures on WLTP in place.

[mike sel]

I read on another forum (think it was Seat, but can’t remember for sure) where a customer had also been advised by their dealer that their car needed to be registered by 31st Aug on an 18 plate, so maybe Mike sel‘s dealer isn’t having him on.

Mike doesn’t say in his post that the dealer has said the car has to be delivered to the customer - he has said ‘any car delivered’ which could mean delivered to the dealership by 31/08 rather than the customer, although it would take the shine off picking up a new car registered an 18 plate on 1st Sept or later.

If delivery is to the dealership and not the customer by 31st Aug, then presumably the dealer can register the car by the Aug 31st deadline - presumably they can register it as soon as they have the vehicle VIN if they have a range of 18 plate registration number allocation available to them to use, and maybe there’s a DVLA fast track registration process for dealers to register vehicles in a situation such as this?

Yea the dealer meant delivered to them. The way he put it is they cannot register a pre 31 august "non compliant" VW after the 31 august. They will all be 18 plates. It don't matter if you want delivery or collection even in December it will be an 18 plate (if it does not comply with the new regs.

Something that will mess with some minds on here. My VW dealer also told me that VW and therefore the industry are moving towards (because of the new emission regs) building cars with ever extra all in. then they will charge for use of particular extras. for example you go to the app and order use of the sunroof this week and you get charged for it ETC ETC.

[monkeyhanger]

Something that will mess with some minds on here. My VW dealer also told me that VW and therefore the industry are moving towards (because of the new emission regs) building cars with ever extra all in. then they will charge for use of particular extras. for example you go to the app and order use of the sunroof this week and you get charged for it ETC ETC.

So VW's master plan is to turn this:-

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Into this:-

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Seems like an April Fool's joke.

Really not sure how feasable this can be. People will find a way to hack the app/central computing unit and get that equipent for nowt, by finding a way to fool the car into thinking that it isn't being used.

Does this mean the end of car ownership? Could VW really make you buy the basic car yourself and then charge you every time you use a non-essential piece of equipment? Could the onboard safety system foresee an unavoidable collision with enough time to ask you whether you are willing to pay the surcharge for deploying the airbags? Will the cost of having aircon go up in the height of summer when you need it most?

This all seems only feasable if you never own the car, but pay by the mile, like turning the car into a taxi that you drive yourself, and pay what's on the meter. What happens when the car is 3/5years old? Will VW sell the car off at 3 years old, unlocking all the equipment?

I think it will just show up optional equipment as the money grab it is, when the manufacturers can afford to load a car up with equipment on the possibility that they may get some revenue back for it.

If VW can make it work then the other marques will be in on it too.

I can see a time when many people lease, which will surely spell the end for dealerships if too many exercise that choice.

[monkeyhanger]

I read on another forum (think it was Seat, but can’t remember for sure) where a customer had also been advised by their dealer that their car needed to be registered by 31st Aug on an 18 plate, so maybe Mike sel‘s dealer isn’t having him on.

Mike doesn’t say in his post that the dealer has said the car has to be delivered to the customer - he has said ‘any car delivered’ which could mean delivered to the dealership by 31/08 rather than the customer, although it would take the shine off picking up a new car registered an 18 plate on 1st Sept or later.

If delivery is to the dealership and not the customer by 31st Aug, then presumably the dealer can register the car by the Aug 31st deadline - presumably they can register it as soon as they have the vehicle VIN if they have a range of 18 plate registration number allocation available to them to use, and maybe there’s a DVLA fast track registration process for dealers to register vehicles in a situation such as this?

Yea the dealer meant delivered to them. The way he put it is they cannot register a pre 31 august "non compliant" VW after the 31 august. They will all be 18 plates. It don't matter if you want delivery or collection even in December it will be an 18 plate (if it does not comply with the new regs.

Something that will mess with some minds on here. My VW dealer also told me that VW and therefore the industry are moving towards (because of the new emission regs) building cars with ever extra all in. then they will charge for use of particular extras. for example you go to the app and order use of the sunroof this week and you get charged for it ETC ETC.

Do we actually know whether the current VW range are non-compliant? I was under the impression that we only had to know what the "real" mpg via WLTP testing was - that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be non-compliant (unmodified) when tested. All I expect in the short term is that published figures for mpg will drop, and CO2 levels per km will rise. They will then need to be improved over a number of years as emission limits get tighter.

They will most likely change to around the levels that the NEDC cycle had before the inclusion of stop-start tech skewed the results to appear to be 20% more efficient, due to the large idle time in the test cycle now burning no fuel.

I could always exceed NEDC combined mpg figures prior to stop-start tech, not by much. They are impossible to meet now unless you do 100 mle journeys in the summer, doing a constant 55mph.

Everyone is in the same boat here, all the marques jacked up the NEDC figures with stop-start, not just VW.

[mike sel]

Something that will mess with some minds on here. My VW dealer also told me that VW and therefore the industry are moving towards (because of the new emission regs) building cars with ever extra all in. then they will charge for use of particular extras. for example you go to the app and order use of the sunroof this week and you get charged for it ETC ETC.

So VW's master plan is to turn this:-

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0

Into this:-

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0


Seems like an April Fool's joke.

Really not sure how feasable this can be. People will find a way to hack the app/central computing unit and get that equipent for nowt, by finding a way to fool the car into thinking that it isn't being used.

Does this mean the end of car ownership? Could VW really make you buy the basic car yourself and then charge you every time you use a non-essential piece of equipment? Could the onboard safety system foresee an unavoidable collision with enough time to ask you whether you are willing to pay the surcharge for deploying the airbags? Will the cost of having aircon go up in the height of summer when you need it most?

This all seems only feasable if you never own the car, but pay by the mile, like turning the car into a taxi that you drive yourself, and pay what's on the meter. What happens when the car is 3/5years old? Will VW sell the car off at 3 years old, unlocking all the equipment?

I think it will just show up optional equipment as the money grab it is, when the manufacturers can afford to load a car up with equipment on the possibility that they may get some revenue back for it.

If VW can make it work then the other marques will be in on it too.

I can see a time when many people lease, which will surely spell the end for dealerships if too many exercise that choice.

Honestly I just don't know all I do know is, the dealer told me this was a VW plan to get around having so many tests. I am sure we can all imagine these tests are not cheep, so he said at the moment VW have to send for test one car with every engine type. the with every engine there needs to be one car with every option including wheel sizes, it involves upwards of 50 cars with all types of engine / option / wheel combinations. it was at this point he then said not just VW but manufactures of cars need a get around, and that is send one car with everything and then sell only one grade and option line up with a car type so the Polo will come in one grade with minimum engine varieties and with one wheel size and all options loaded. I really do not think he was joking, I think he was telling me what he had been told , he may have been told wrong or an extreme version of what they are working too, but he was not joking.

[Leif]

Do we actually know whether the current VW range are non-compliant? I was under the impression that we only had to know what the "real" mpg via WLTP testing was - that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be non-compliant (unmodified) when tested. All I expect in the short term is that published figures for mpg will drop, and CO2 levels per km will rise. They will then need to be improved over a number of years as emission limits get tighter.

They will most likely change to around the levels that the NEDC cycle had before the inclusion of stop-start tech skewed the results to appear to be 20% more efficient, due to the large idle time in the test cycle now burning no fuel.

I could always exceed NEDC combined mpg figures prior to stop-start tech, not by much. They are impossible to meet now unless you do 100 mle journeys in the summer, doing a constant 55mph.

Everyone is in the same boat here, all the marques jacked up the NEDC figures with stop-start, not just VW.

That’s my experience too, I was wondering why the Polo was noticeably worse on mpg. To be fair the Polo does have good mpg. However, these small engines do produce lots of nitrous oxide and particulates, more so than larger engines. It’s rather ironic, though due to legislation pushing cars down a particular route, one reason diesels were fashionable.

[RUM4MO]

That’s my experience too, I was wondering why the Polo was noticeably worse on mpg. To be fair the Polo does have good mpg. However, these small engines do produce lots of nitrous oxide and particulates, more so than larger engines. It’s rather ironic, though due to legislation pushing cars down a particular route, one reason diesels were fashionable.

Yes it does seem a bit ironic that currently all future emmissions changes are geared too focussing on a single component existing in the emissions, though I suppose that is merely to let other areas of this industry get a bit of the cash action,and then we move onto something else, not necessarily the next most important component in the emissions.

Maybe it is all just part of a bigger picture to continuously generate extra income for someone with changing air issues being a spin off, what someone somewhere needs to do is to genuinely look into "total life environmental impact" of some newer cars and dump this tree hugging NIMBYism - and extend that to cover all human activities if improving "our lot" is genuinely what needs doing.