Michelin Pilot Sport 4 / Mileage?

[monkeyhanger]

I quite liked ECO, when VW allowed me to use it....
Yes it dulls the throttle, but it also gives more of a freewheeling effect slowing down, none of the jerky downchanges of normal.
Much nicer when you're just bimbling along in traffic or carrying passengers whose necks won't be prepared for jerky downchanges, especially the one around 14mph.
But seeing as it needs selected every time you turn the key, I've given up on it.

Are you talking about manual downchanges with the paddles to force the car into a sudden drastic change of engine speed? If not, it sounds like there's something seriously wrong with yours. The engine braking effect on mine is negligible if you let the car downshift rather than forcing it down 2 gears with the paddles. That happened on both the preGPF 2018 model and our 2019 one.

[Andy Beats]

Are you talking about manual downchanges with the paddles to force the car into a sudden drastic change of engine speed? If not, it sounds like there's something seriously wrong with yours. The engine braking effect on mine is negligible if you let the car downshift rather than forcing it down 2 gears with the paddles. That happened on both the preGPF 2018 model and our 2019 one.

No, leaving it in D.
That last down change around 14mph(ish) is particularly bad and many report it, so it's evidently inherent.
If anything, using manual mode smoothes out the down changes but I quickly get bored of manual mode, it seems so utterly childish.

[monkeyhanger]

Are you talking about manual downchanges with the paddles to force the car into a sudden drastic change of engine speed? If not, it sounds like there's something seriously wrong with yours. The engine braking effect on mine is negligible if you let the car downshift rather than forcing it down 2 gears with the paddles. That happened on both the preGPF 2018 model and our 2019 one.

No, leaving it in D.
That last down change around 14mph(ish) is particularly bad and many report it, so it's evidently inherent.
If anything, using manual mode smoothes out the down changes but I quickly get bored of manual mode, it seems so utterly childish.

What is that change? 3>2, or 2>1?

Decelerating to a stop, my car usually does 3>2 and takes 2nd down to zero, dipping the clutch below about 6mph, but has 1st ready to move off again. No jerkiness at all for mine on the D down changes.

[German_Fartbox]

Are you talking about manual downchanges with the paddles to force the car into a sudden drastic change of engine speed? If not, it sounds like there's something seriously wrong with yours. The engine braking effect on mine is negligible if you let the car downshift rather than forcing it down 2 gears with the paddles. That happened on both the preGPF 2018 model and our 2019 one.

No, leaving it in D.
That last down change around 14mph(ish) is particularly bad and many report it, so it's evidently inherent.
If anything, using manual mode smoothes out the down changes but I quickly get bored of manual mode, it seems so utterly childish.

What is that change? 3>2, or 2>1?

Decelerating to a stop, my car usually does 3>2 and takes 2nd down to zero, dipping the clutch below about 6mph, but has 1st ready to move off again. No jerkiness at all for mine on the D down changes.

3>2 for me. Exactly as Andy mentions around that speed, theres a delay as 3rd gear cluth disengages and then bang into 2nd gear as the other cluth is selected. I've started flicking it into N as I'm slowing down - similar to what ECO does - to avoid it so the stop is smoother. It makes no sense at all as surely when you're breaking, slowing down the 2nd gear is already selected and not 4th on the other cluth so the switch over should be instant and smooth. Going into 2nd gear from any speed seems to be doggers imo. Every other gear change is perfect, up or down, auto or manual. It's just that 3>2.

[monkeyhanger]

No, leaving it in D.
That last down change around 14mph(ish) is particularly bad and many report it, so it's evidently inherent.
If anything, using manual mode smoothes out the down changes but I quickly get bored of manual mode, it seems so utterly childish.

What is that change? 3>2, or 2>1?

Decelerating to a stop, my car usually does 3>2 and takes 2nd down to zero, dipping the clutch below about 6mph, but has 1st ready to move off again. No jerkiness at all for mine on the D down changes.

3>2 for me. Exactly as Andy mentions around that speed, theres a delay as 3rd gear cluth disengages and then bang into 2nd gear as the other cluth is selected. I've started flicking it into N as I'm slowing down - similar to what ECO does - to avoid it so the stop is smoother. It makes no sense at all as surely when you're breaking, slowing down the 2nd gear is already selected and not 4th on the other cluth so the switch over should be instant and smooth. Going into 2nd gear from any speed seems to be doggers imo. Every other gear change is perfect, up or down, auto or manual. It's just that 3>2.

Does it matter whether it's hard or soft braking/deceleration? Sounds like hesitancy on the evens gearbox to dump 4th for second, which I could understand if you're driving relatively briskly in 3rd (with 4th ready) and all of a sudden.you're on the brakes hard and the evens box needs to dump 4th for second in a hurry (DSG Isn't quick at changing gear, it's quick at changing clutches into a preselected gear). A slow deceleration and tge box should have plenty of time to dump 4th for 2nd and select 2nd from 3rd.

Had no bother with both of our Polo GTI+ in that respect, they were built May 18 and Feb 19 respectively, maybe there's a period of dodgy DSG boxes or software after then?

[Andy Beats]

Yeah 3>2 and does it during gentle driving in D.
Makes braking to a smooth stop really hard, you'll brake with pressure based on the car almost freewheeling in 3rd, then it'll bang into 2nd and all of a sudden your pedal pressure is too much.
I might try the selecting N thing if I've got passengers, save me looking like I can't drive.

[lancslad1985]

What is that change? 3>2, or 2>1?

Decelerating to a stop, my car usually does 3>2 and takes 2nd down to zero, dipping the clutch below about 6mph, but has 1st ready to move off again. No jerkiness at all for mine on the D down changes.

3>2 for me. Exactly as Andy mentions around that speed, theres a delay as 3rd gear cluth disengages and then bang into 2nd gear as the other cluth is selected. I've started flicking it into N as I'm slowing down - similar to what ECO does - to avoid it so the stop is smoother. It makes no sense at all as surely when you're breaking, slowing down the 2nd gear is already selected and not 4th on the other cluth so the switch over should be instant and smooth. Going into 2nd gear from any speed seems to be doggers imo. Every other gear change is perfect, up or down, auto or manual. It's just that 3>2.

Does it matter whether it's hard or soft braking/deceleration? Sounds like hesitancy on the evens gearbox to dump 4th for second, which I could understand if you're driving relatively briskly in 3rd (with 4th ready) and all of a sudden.you're on the brakes hard and the evens box needs to dump 4th for second in a hurry (DSG Isn't quick at changing gear, it's quick at changing clutches into a preselected gear). A slow deceleration and tge box should have plenty of time to dump 4th for 2nd and select 2nd from 3rd.

Had no bother with both of our Polo GTI+ in that respect, they were built May 18 and Feb 19 respectively, maybe there's a period of dodgy DSG boxes or software after then?

Mine was built March 20 and I’ve had no issues with mine braking to a smooth stop, so maybe there’s a batch of funky gearboxes as you suggested?

[Andy Beats]

No idea when mine was built, can barely remember when I collected it.
Think it was September/October last year.

[German_Fartbox]

What is that change? 3>2, or 2>1?

Decelerating to a stop, my car usually does 3>2 and takes 2nd down to zero, dipping the clutch below about 6mph, but has 1st ready to move off again. No jerkiness at all for mine on the D down changes.

3>2 for me. Exactly as Andy mentions around that speed, theres a delay as 3rd gear cluth disengages and then bang into 2nd gear as the other cluth is selected. I've started flicking it into N as I'm slowing down - similar to what ECO does - to avoid it so the stop is smoother. It makes no sense at all as surely when you're breaking, slowing down the 2nd gear is already selected and not 4th on the other cluth so the switch over should be instant and smooth. Going into 2nd gear from any speed seems to be doggers imo. Every other gear change is perfect, up or down, auto or manual. It's just that 3>2.

Does it matter whether it's hard or soft braking/deceleration? Sounds like hesitancy on the evens gearbox to dump 4th for second, which I could understand if you're driving relatively briskly in 3rd (with 4th ready) and all of a sudden.you're on the brakes hard and the evens box needs to dump 4th for second in a hurry (DSG Isn't quick at changing gear, it's quick at changing clutches into a preselected gear). A slow deceleration and tge box should have plenty of time to dump 4th for 2nd and select 2nd from 3rd.

Had no bother with both of our Polo GTI+ in that respect, they were built May 18 and Feb 19 respectively, maybe there's a period of dodgy DSG boxes or software after then?

It's both really but I notice it more of an 'issue' when its slow deceleration since that's when I expect the car to be smooth for the reason you have mentioned - there should be no confusion on what gear I'm going into. I get that driving quick there is always going to be some confusion on the gear box when you could be accelerating towards a corner in third then into heavy breaking and putting it into second straight away. I don't mind that as I would expect it and you're never going to have the same control than a manual. It's the slowing down for a traffic light lunge thats annoying.
It doesn't bother me to the point of taking it back to VW, just more of an observation that I wouldn't of expected to be seeing. I'm considering keeping the car anyway past the PCP date and if I do I will be getting it remapped and DSG tuned etc so that could rid it?

[grazuncle2]

What's the point of rotating?
Surely that just means you have to replace four tyres at the same time, rather than two?
If you've no intention of fitting the same tyre again this would make sense, but if you intend to have the same again why not just leave the rears in place and let the fronts wear out?

At Costco with my last Polo.. I had to change the fronts before the MOT (possible or close failure).. Oooh I thought. Some nice brand new tyres on the front; only to find that they are obliged (legally) to put the best on the rears! There was not much in it.. ( only 1mm wear on rears) but still found it strange. They said as the rear, of this car, has less weight it equalled less grip hence the deepest tread on the rears.

I could not convince them otherwise so went along with it..

[monkeyhanger]

What's the point of rotating?
Surely that just means you have to replace four tyres at the same time, rather than two?
If you've no intention of fitting the same tyre again this would make sense, but if you intend to have the same again why not just leave the rears in place and let the fronts wear out?

At Costco with my last Polo.. I had to change the fronts before the MOT (possible or close failure).. Oooh I thought. Some nice brand new tyres on the front; only to find that they are obliged (legally) to put the best on the rears! There was not much in it.. ( only 1mm wear on rears) but still found it strange. They said as the rear, of this car, has less weight it equalled less grip hence the deepest tread on the rears.

I could not convince them otherwise so went along with it..

Yes, Costco are a pain like that - arse coving against litigation as every American firm does. I had a hard enough time convincing them to swap out my 215 Bridgestones for 225 Michelins. The only way they'd do it is if I took the wheels off and passed them in one at a time so they weren't knowingly putting the "wrong tyres" on a car.

[Andy Beats]

Stopped using Costco for tyres for this very reason
There isn't a single other UK tyre supplier who insists new tyres go on the back.

[Leif]

I got almost 40,000 miles on my stock GoodYear EfficientGrip tyres. The all weathers look to be doing well too. Yeah, I’m a dull driver, I just go from A to B in comfort and no stress. I need a tartan blanket and slippers.