Emissions Scandal - VW confirm Blue GT included

[Shark00n]

More gasoline engines implied in this case, even 2016 models:

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/news/v ... ?cid=bitly

Polo 1.4 and 1.0. Seat Ibiza, Leon, Leon SC with the 1.8 TFSI, anyone know if it's the same engine as the Polo GTI?

*EDIT
Upon closer inspection it seems like the 1.8TFSI engine on the Seats is a code R4 unit, while the 1.8TSI on the Polo is a EA888 unit.

[Mart!n-GTI-DK]

it is NOT the same engine as the GTI. VW Denmark had pulled the BlueGT from the line up until they knew more about the emission problems.

But the 1,4 TSI with ACT has been cleared and is not included in the emission scandal. So it's back in the model line up in Denmark.

[lancslad1985]

Having ordered my new car at the weekend (I'm going back to a golf guys, but I'll still be here as the wife has a lovely Polo 1.2Tsi!) I spoke with the dealership about the Blue GT being implicated. They said it IS the 140 and 150bhp 1.4 Tsi ACT engine as well as the standard 1.4 Tsi engine, but ONLY in the golf. I don't know how true this is, but both the servicing guys and the sales lad said this to me separately.

[Mart!n-GTI-DK]

Having ordered my new car at the weekend (I'm going back to a golf guys, but I'll still be here as the wife has a lovely Polo 1.2Tsi!) I spoke with the dealership about the Blue GT being implicated. They said it IS the 140 and 150bhp 1.4 Tsi ACT engine as well as the standard 1.4 Tsi engine, but ONLY in the golf. I don't know how true this is, but both the servicing guys and the sales lad said this to me separately.

That's what they have been told to say... it has been the same thing in Denmark. They were given specific instructions to what they were allowed to say.

But that it should only be in the Golf is Bulls**t. It is the exact same engine in the Golf and Polo and whatever they stick it in.

[lancslad1985]

I completely agree. They're claiming the reason it's the golf that has the false CO2 levels is because it's a bigger car. The good news for UK drivers though is that VW have agreed to pay any extra tax a customer should be paying for their cars, so doesn't really make an ounce of difference to the UK owners if the CO2 levels are out. Can't speak for the rest of Europe though.

[Ricmondo]

Very careful worded assurance from UK Government sources in respect of vehicle tax bands. No increase for current owners but sell your car and the new owner may have to front up to a higher rate of VED. That's not going to affect resale values is it!!!

I would not entirely discount the claim that 'only Golfs are affected'. One of the parameters for the ECU algorithms is vehicle weight, gearing and drag coefficient also figure, the values for Golf and Polo would differ and that may well have an effect upon the legitimate if somewhat flawed official test cycle.

[Shark00n]

I would not entirely discount the claim that 'only Golfs are affected'. One of the parameters for the ECU algorithms is vehicle weight, gearing and drag coefficient also figure, the values for Golf and Polo would differ and that may well have an effect upon the legitimate if somewhat flawed official test cycle.

This!
The 1.4ACT Golf gives out only 1 more gram of CO2 than the Polo, and has very very similar MPG. While it is a much heavier car it does seem like only the Golf was adultered.

[Ricmondo]

Quite. Although the small difference is misleading. My car has zero NOx and CO2 emissions but only when the engine is switched off. The in use emissions vary greatly depending upon whether I'm wearing my ballet shoes (ah sweet) or my double hob nailed steam punk Doc Martens. Each car will have a sweet spot depending upon gearing, drag etc, if the manufacturer is lucky or very clever that sweet spot will be right in the middle of the test cycle parameters, if not they either suck it up or use a trick doctored ECU. Some have been caught others probably have very squeaky bums at the moment.

I'm sure many older posters will remember having to lean off the mixture on carb fed motors to get through MoT emission tests. Morning of the test adjust car so it is virtually undrivable, pass the test then retune to pre test state, life would have been much easier with a defeat device.

When the fuss dies down and suitable amounts of dosh has been distributed don't be surprised if apart from the inevitable special diesel taxes legislation is introduced to make remapping or chips that alter manufacturers setting illegal. Difficult to enforce but DSA/HMRC already conduct random roadside checks on fuel etc, not too difficult for them to plug in a diagnostic computer and seize your car if it shows a variation from manufacturers specification. Sounds far fetched but I have in the past done work for DTp and some of their ideas were far more outlandish.