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Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 10:27 pm
by Rapid
some owner of polo, jetta and my rapid mention that only if I
FIX eeprom it can help in my situation and only with VCP or Odis.
Do u know something about that?
PWM Value with POS/TFL lights and activated Pos-lights
Well, in that case (low and high wired from BCM to headlights), you should modify and install more wires in E4 for Low and High beam.
E4 is T16/16Steering column switch
I make this wire connection to
T16/7 to T73B/8, T16/8 to T73A/62
and coding for it
bit 28 bait 3
There is no representation of an LED module that controls the DRLs and side/parking lights on the same LED strip
becouse this diagram i think for old bcm pq25, and skoda never installed this headlamp for this model year. then made for new model from 2015 on pq26.
video tomorrow
Thanks
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 3:18 am
by ciclo
So you have installed pq26 bi-xenon headlights, right?.... or are these bi-xenon headlights you've installed used on both platforms?
Have you installed another two new wires for the front parking/side lights (POS)? Your factory wires for the parking lights is front and rear on the same side with the same wire, with bi-xenon headlights the front and rear wires should be separate and coming from different pins from the BCM.
Bixenon, LED Headlights:
Front parking lights.
T73b/5 ---> Left headlight.
T73b/6 ---> Right headlight.
Rear parking lights.
T73a/41 ---> Left taillight.
T73a/40 ---> Right taillight.
Based on your headlights (W diagrams), you should know the correct pin/slot on the headlight/taillight connectors.
Note: This allows you to code or parameterize the
output value of the front parking lights.
Halogen H4/H7 Headlights:
Front and rear parking lights.
T73a/41 ---> Left side.
T73a/40 ---> Right side.
0.5mm2
Rapid wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:27 pm
some owner of polo, jetta and my rapid mention that only if I
FIX eeprom it can help in my situation and only with VCP or Odis.
Do u know something about that?
Yes, we know about it, here in the forum it has happened with several VW models (T5, Amarok, Polo), but sometimes it depends on how the BCM 7E0 of the donor car is parameterized.
More information here:
https://www.drive2.ru/l/489696641561919499/
Rapid wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:27 pm
I make this wire connection to
T16/7 to T73B/8, T16/8 to T73A/62
and coding for it
bit 28 bait 3
Have you changed the input signal on T16c/9?
In the original installation it is a 56 signal coming from the T17/7 light switch, but now it should be a +15 signal coming from the SB27 (5A) fuse.
viewtopic.php?p=598020#p598020
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 10:04 am
by ciclo
New BCM coding: (third test, AFTER you fix the wiring)
6C980F2000210400000808303E4B0CC00F40600F600338C0020000064800
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 11:50 am
by Rapid
https://youtu.be/i9VlboxHDcY/youtube
So you have installed pq26 bi-xenon headlights, right?.... or are these bi-xenon headlights you've installed used on both platforms?
on pq26 this bixenon work perfect, on my pq25 only after wire/ bcm 090 and so on
Have you installed another two new wires for the front parking/side lights (POS)? Your factory wires for the parking lights is front and rear on the same side with the same wire, with bi-xenon headlights the front and rear wires should be separate and coming from different pins from the BCM.
Bixenon, LED Headlights:
Front parking lights.
T73b/5 ---> Left headlight.
T73b/6 ---> Right headlight.
Rear parking lights.
T73a/41 ---> Left taillight.
T73a/40 ---> Right taillight.
Based on your headlights (W diagrams), you should know the correct pin/slot on the headlight/taillight connectors.
Note: This allows you to code or parameterize the output value of the front parking lights.
Halogen H4/H7 Headlights:
Front and rear parking lights.
T73a/41 ---> Left side.
T73a/40 ---> Right side.
First i can say my taillight from new model and have led, i didnt remember what i touch in vcds but back tail led work in 3 position of switch no problem, as a drl+parking+light!
Everything that concerns to parking lights from the front, they do not interest me. Do you think this unfinished work prevents the strip from working with the main light and drl?
Have you changed the input signal on T16c/9?
In the original installation it is a 56 signal coming from the T17/7 light switch, but now it should be a +15 signal coming from the SB27 (5A) fuse.viewtopic.php?p=598020#p598020
you sure about that? not a SB36?
originally i did it the first time like this
- Screenshot 2023-05-20 at 13.35.14.png (47.08 KiB) Viewed 4528 times
but since the Steering column switch did not turn on the light proper Or I did not do this code
bit 28 bait 3 at that moment, i change connection of this wire direct ,
T16/7 to T73B/8, T16/8 to T73A/62 and not from SB location.
+15 as i understand come from
T17/7
Or am I wrong? but it basically Steering column work proper now. in the sense that turning on the high beam works in two modes when the low beam is on.
Or and due to this ( maybe incorrect connection) flashing with Hibeam not possible in the absence of lo beam
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 1:49 pm
by ciclo
Thank you very much for the video, now I understand everything perfectly.
Interesting that you comment now that you installed LED taillights and you will code for permanent Parking lights (old Scandinavian lights). Now called rear DRL (completely unnecessary IMHO, ... I'm not going to argue with anyone that if visibility isn't good enough the other lights bla bla bla....).
Regardless of the legal issues of the circulation of vehicles, you can do or prefer what suits you best,
I will deeply respect it, I don't know if other drivers will find it good or bad.
I am not sure of absolutely anything, I live to learn.
I live in Magiclands, as indicated on my avatar.
- 1% of the time in the highlands.
- 9% of the time in the midlands.
- 90% of the time in Orcolands with monsters, dragons, dwarves, trolls, and evil wizards...
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Exterior lighting , (7L3),(K8B),(8K9),(9C2)
From May 2014
Now you can compare it with the diagrams of your original installation (with BCM High, not MAX).
It all depends on the type of BCM you have installed, and you have a 7E0 MAX (which can work exactly the same as a 7H0 MAX and much more).
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 2:40 pm
by Rapid
It have stop signal
if you about that;)
Fog and reverse
https://youtube.com/shorts/aCIDcBhg20k?feature=share
And i don’t really understand the diagram, t 16/ 8 is not correct and i need t16 / 9 to T73A\62?
I think T16/9 connected to T17/7 , or it connected to fuse and from fuse to T17/7?
- phote before T16/8 installed
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Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 2:50 pm
by ciclo
Easy.
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Rapid wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:27 pm
I make this wire connection to
T16/7 to T73B/8, T16/8 to T73A/62
and coding for it
bit 28 bait 3
... this modification is correct.
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Front parking lights are absolutely necessary, I meant that about what you are interested in, nothing regarding your new taillights.
It was just a comment.
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 3:36 pm
by Rapid
i se that this wire For example on Skoda Fabia
T17a/7 (output) "56x" To the contact T41a/41 of the steering column switch, power is taken from it for high beam.
I think it's overkill but I'll try T16/9 to T17/7
i think i repair same wire which is now installed already by default
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 4:30 pm
by Rapid
Nothing , same same wire i just reconnect new one
When i disconnect one side for test , options to turn long hibeam lost, so my new wire reproduced same wire
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 7:06 pm
by ciclo
You have to connect T16/9 to a +15 signal NEW wire coming from the fuse box, which you seem to have a hard time understanding.
- A +30 signal is a signal direct from the battery.
- A +15 signal is when you turn the ignition switch.
You can check it in the fuse box with a multimeter.
The BCM is not stupid and does not expect to receive a 75x signal passed to 56x by the light switch and then to 56 on the STALKS. The BCM waits for that +15 signal.
You should have the low beam and high beam on individual wires from the BCM to the headlights.
You should have the DRL (TFL) and Parking Lights (POS) on individual wires from the BCM to the headlights.
Before editing/changing/parameterizing the BCM parameter values for TFL or POS, the wires must be well connected and the coding must be correct. Otherwise you will not have the results you expect.
Does anyone know what the correct values for those headlights are? I'm afraid not, whoever will test it, 40 here, 20 there to see if it works.
Enter the last BCM coding (third test) that I posted earlier, although this does not give the results you expect. Post here a new Autoscan with this coding.
Do not be impatient, and wait to solve the problems step by step.
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hahaha... I'm not Darth Vader or your father.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWimzSyWbs
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 9:11 pm
by Rapid
Thanks
i try!
In short about rest
Hibeam already connected L T73a/1 R T73b/1 , DRL already connected L T73b/3 R T73a/5 +wire from T73b/29 to t17/3, this is correct?
Does anyone know what the correct values for those headlights are? I'm afraid not, whoever will test it, 40 here, 20 there to see if it works
28 drl
hahaha... I'm not Darth Vader or your father.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcBTkjvyLNg
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 7:35 am
by ciclo
Rapid wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 9:11 pm
Hibeam already connected L T73a/1 R T73b/1 , DRL already connected L T73b/3 R T73a/5 +wire from T73b/29 to t17/3, this is correct?
yes
Rapid wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 9:11 pm
28 drl
These are the values with which Alexander
correctly operated the LED modules in his Polo Sedan pq25 (6R/6C LED headlights).
For example, for T5.1 or Amarok (pq25) they are not the same.
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 9:02 am
by Rapid
Good morning
new wire t16/9>SB27(5a)
+
New BCM coding: (third test, AFTER you fix the wiring)
6C980F2000210400000808303E4B0CC00F40600F600338C0020000064800
no drl,no Lo no Hi, hand react to movement and i see blue indicator of Hibeam on cluster but nothing happen ,i do first and second code for test.
first test)
6C980F2000210400000808303F480CC00F406607600308C0060000024000
second test)
6C980F2000210400000808303F480CC00F404007600308C0060000024000
Nothing.
I back to my default one
6C980F2000210400000808303F480CC00F406607600308C0060000024800
where is Lo working+ Hi if lo on,+ i can do short and long Hi with hand, but only if lo on.
oh god i forgot to scan
if it matters. Car scanner show me same 3 light error
In principle with this change t16/9>SB27 everything works as before with my default code.
T17/7 as I understand no need anymore?
in my opinion with all these improvements with the new BCM and new wire, even before communicating with you, turning on the high beam was accompanied by a strange sound from the headlights
that normal?
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 12:44 pm
by ciclo
We are progressing.
Yes, T17/7 is no longer necessary.
Have you installed the wires for the front parking lights?
Left ...T73b/5 ---0.5mm2 wire--> T10/10
Right ... T73b/6 ---0.5mm2 wire--> T10/10
Remove and Insulate the original wire from the headlight connector. Isolate the original wire correctly because this wire is still live.
It is essential for the LED strip module to work correctly, and so that it makes sense to parameterize with VCP or ODIS the values of TFL and POS.
New BCM coding: (fourth test)
6C980F2000210400000808303E4B0CC00F40730F600338C0060000164800
Two tests with this BCM coding; You must test it with the BCM 54 channel at 0, and then with 1.
Report the results. Autoscan/s.
Re: Polo 6r GTI - Bi-Xenon installation Issues
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 4:37 pm
by Rapid
Left ...T73b/5 ---0.5mm2 wire--> T10/10
Right ... T73b/6 ---0.5mm2 wire--> T10/10
58 channel with 0
After start engine, drl work stable no winks;)but only as drl.
No lo no hi, hi no short no long. Cluster blue indicator hi beam working no stop, but not on zero switch.
58 channel with 1
Drl as drl ok, Lo winks 2-3 seconds and turned off, but after i save the channel it start works, Hi short+ long but only if Lo active only.
Hand switch work strange, when i try to of Hi long it continues work, until i kick hand to short position.
cluster blue indicator hi beam working no stop, but not on zero switch
i don't mention the taillights but this time they turned off after ignition, i hope is just edit one bit later
Although now I went for food and the Lo did not turn on at all , I switch back to zero and to Lo again and it wink as drl in first video, they turn on and off or wink and off
https://youtu.be/0DkB3iB7Hsg
inside block
before and after clean
Code: Select all
5 Faults Found:
03431 - Activation of Left Parking Light
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 97
Time Indication: 0
03432 - Activation of Right Parking Light
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 96
Mileage: 195642 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 15:48:59
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 96
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 16:35:15
01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 56
Mileage: 195642 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 17:56:39
01499 - Bulb for High-Beams; Right (M32)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 56
Mileage: 195642 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 17:56:39
after clear
Sunday,21,May,2023,18:52:11
3 Faults Found:
03431 - Activation of Left Parking Light
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 18:48:11
01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 18:48:41
01499 - Bulb for High-Beams; Right (M32)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2049.14.23
Time: 18:48:41
Full
Sunday,21,May,2023,18:55:27
Code: Select all
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAXA) Labels:. 03C-906-016-CAX2.clb
Part No SW: 03C 906 016 CR HW: 03C 906 016 CR
Component: 1.4l R4 TSI H02 4874
Revision: LJH02--- Serial number: CVN: 761A8B19
Coding: 00250012000400000000
Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00125
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TFS01103C906016CR 001004
ROD: EV_ECM14TFS01103C906016CR.rod
VCID: 71E960C3A0A913057D-8024
VINID: 91D4919067981D41000C51C9086C1421BB
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
Part No SW: 0AM 300 060 E HW: 0AM 927 769 D
Component: GSG DSG AG7 431 6203
Revision: 00043014 Serial number: CU501601216604
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 08643 002 1048576
VCID: 2C57B1B78F0B3EED0E-8078
No fault code found.
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 6R0-614-517-TRW460.clb
Part No SW: 6R0 614 517 BK HW: 6R0 614 517 BK
Component: EBC 460 ESP H08 0004
Serial number: A00AWQ1
Coding: 4129481409B400B9824E12DB90A200404B0800
Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00125
ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESPAEntryTRW 002011
ROD: EV_Brake1ESPAEntryTRW.rod
VCID: 7DF14CF3ECF16765E9-8028
No fault code found.
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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085) Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
Part No SW: 6RA 959 654 HW: 6RA 959 654
Component: LENKW.SENSOR H02 0020
Serial number: 28051304210234
Coding: 01
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005002
ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
VCID: 0F2D063BD65D65F50B-805A
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AB.clb
Part No SW: 5JA 820 045 HW: 5JA 820 045
Component: Man AC H06 0101
Revision: 2013SH06
VCID: 73E56ACBD2B521158F-8026
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0736
Revision: B9080001 Serial number: 0771 003200040
Coding: 6C980F2000210400000808303E4B0CC00F40730F600338C0060000164800
Shop #: WSC 18752 008 00032
VCID: 68DF0DA79B73D2CD2A-803C
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 719 C HW: 5E0 919 719 C Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-PR6 H03 0120
Serial number: 000000000A0184150513
Coding: 000000
3 Faults Found:
03431 - Activation of Left Parking Light
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.10.11
Time: 18:48:11
01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.10.11
Time: 18:48:41
01499 - Bulb for High-Beams; Right (M32)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 57
Mileage: 195643 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.10.11
Time: 18:48:41
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 34D 959 655 B HW: 34D 959 655 B
Component: AirbagVW20 004 0365
Serial number: 003K7R016UMU
Coding: 88CCC00000000000540000C8000000000045
Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00125
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW253 001108
ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW253.rod
VCID: 3467A9D79F3B662D56-8060
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 411 805 13
Component: SideSensor_Df 003 0148
Serial number: 349650A25E62A7233EDW
Coding: 2D2D2D
Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 411 805 13
Component: SideSensor_Pf 003 0148
Serial number: 350650A25E6C6F22AF6
Coding: 2D2D2D
Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 411 805 13
Component: SideSensor_Dr 003 0148
Serial number: 351650A25E62ADF2AF1$
Coding: 2D2D2D
Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: ----------- HW: 480 411 805 13
Component: SideSensor_Pr 003 0148
Serial number: 352650A25E62A2F4EC4Z
Coding: 2D2D2D
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 5JA 920 810 B HW: 5JA 920 810 B
Component: KOMBI H04 0709
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 110A01
Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00125
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK25.rod
VCID: 366393DF8947743D68-8062
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 909 901 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0736
Revision: B9080001
Coding: 332200
Shop #: WSC 18752 008 00032
VCID: 68DF0DA79B73D2CD2A-803C
2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.10.11
Time: 16:35:15
01304 - Radio
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 16
Reset counter: 97
Mileage: 195625 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.10.10
Time: 21:01:32
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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Component: IMMO H04 0709
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
VCID: 6ADB77AF8D7FE0DD3C-803E
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
Part No: 6R0 423 156 C
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V278
Coding: 11230
Shop #: WSC 73430
VCID: 306FA5C7F7235A0D32-8064
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:17)--------------------------
if you about that;)
