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Apple's new products

Post by dxg »

Woah. Just woah. How many product releases at once?!

Highlights:

Tiger (although we've known this was coming for a long while now)
iLife '05 - will be buying
iWork '05 (word compatible with really nice templates for $79) -- ditto.
iPod shuffle (flash based iPod)
miniMac (it's tiny! tiny I say!) - You can now get a mac for £339 - I bought an iBook two months ago to run some mac-only software. Doh!
Keynote 2.

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Post by Josh_PoloGTi »

Holy Cow!

I like the Mini and also the new shuffle thing!

I've just bought a new 4g iPod 20gb to replace my faulty 2g iPod 20gb...

Apple's products kick ass!

I thought about going to someone else for my iPod replacement, but none are as well thought out and beautiful as the iPod.

The shuffle looks like a great idea... I listen to my iPod in shuffle mode most of the time anyway!

(Oh, in addition to buying a new pod, I've bought an audiophile portable headphone amp too! Big Sennheiser's and iPods are the future!) 8)
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Post by Speedlaw »

How sweet is that Mini?
Inside its petite 2-inch tall, 6.5-inch square anodized aluminum enclosure, Mac mini houses a 1.25 or 1.42GHz G4 processor, 40 or 80GB hard drive, a slot-loading CD-R/DVD-ROM optical drive, 256MB DDR SDRAM and ATI Radeon 9200 graphics chip with 32MB dedicated DDR SDRAM — all whisper-quiet.

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I want one badly.
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Post by 13twelve »

the iMac looks nice

but 32mb graphics card

the iMac isnt worth while



the iPod micro

but 1gb max

hmm not much is it? though for 100 quid
i could just buy a 1gb mmc card for my nokia phone for £60 and put mp3s on that.


i think they'll sell a lot of the new iMac - its aimed at converting pc users
but quite why apple, who are supposed to be aimed at graphic designers keep putting small graphics cards in their machines...


i'll keep my iBook for now and then possibly get a TiBook or wait till G5 powerbooks come out.
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Post by sbp »

I like this stuff.
I've got the new Imac G5, the 20"screen with integrated pc. It's a beauty :wink:
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Post by Babe RuthLess »

The iPod is great. As for Apple computers... well, let's just say I've been there before.

Smitten by their looks. And then stuck with a half-funcional "poseur" computer.

My advice: macs are great as design fair objects. Interpret that in whatever way you want! (maybe there's an art collector out there :D )
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Babe RuthLess wrote:The iPod is great. As for Apple computers... well, let's just say I've been there before.

Smitten by their looks. And then stuck with a half-funcional "poseur" computer.
Its PCs all the way for me I'm afraid, although I agree that some of Apple's gear looks pretty nice IMO.
13twelve wrote:hmm not much is it? though for 100 quid
i could just buy a 1gb mmc card for my nokia phone for £60 and put mp3s on that.
Well lets see. Average album size after encoding it in 192kbps mp3 format is maybe 85MB. So thats 12 albums of music, or a heck of a lot of single tracks to listen to on those long long train journeys/plane flights. I use a 256MB MuVo for my mp3 player - does me fine for the bus or the train if needed :oops:

Maybe one day I'll get an iPod...
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Well, I got my first mac a few months ago not because of the Apple design culture or anything else about the brand, but simply because of one piece of software that there's no equivalent for on Windows.

This is a product called devonthink. Bascially, it indexes the content of all your files and allows you to search for text with them, then see related texts with the same frequencies of the words within them. Kinda like amazon's recommendations systems. In my scenario, were I've got over a thousand PDFs (academic papers) and need any shortcut possible to get quickly to their content, this $30 piece of software caused me to go out and spend £700 on the machine. OS X also has a few other *killer* productivity apps -- for example - Ulysses is a tool for tackling writer's block. It allows you to segment your text and keep your notes and the logic of the paper on screen all at once. VoodooPad is a really nice wiki implementation -- great for capturing your thinking as you go.


OK - so those are academic products, and reflect the Apple's traditional education focus. The question is - what can it offer for everyone else?

Well, Tiger brings Spotlight to the masses. The searching methods I described above for devonthink become integrated into the OS and its applications. I'm not sure if I can explain the relevance of this clearly, but imagine no longer having to search for files by their filename. Imagine if you could just enter a theme - some keywords - and have everything on the computer *containing* those words come up. Of course, you can apply metadata to your files to decsribe their content and the OS will seach by that too, as well as by filenames only (ala Windows). This is the WinFS functionality that MS promised with Cario (which turned out to be missing from the final Windows 95) and has recenlty dropped from Longhorn because it just can't get it to work. Apple will have it in the mass market within the next six months. This is killer. Now, Apple just needs to be a simple way of explaining it to people ceause it really does change the way you interact with your information. Jobs gave a good demo of it at the keynote - watch the stream if your want to see what I'm going about...

No, don't get me wrong - I *prefer* doing productive work on my Windows machines - quicker, simplier, more familar -- but I *enjoy* doing my thinking on my iBook.

Plus, I haven't mention the whole BSD underpinnings of OS X, the fact that you can run any X11 app on it and therefore have access to all of Linux's software as well...

I'm impressed by Apple, but not so impressed to abandon Windows. When Longhorn finally gets released, I will invest in that and - if only for the eye-candy (which will be much further ahead than OS X and more pervasive) - will probably still keep using Windows as my "productive" environment. However, I strongly suspect that I'll have a foot in both camps for the foreseeable future. There might even be a little Mac mini appearing on my desk at work in the next twelve months (although there's no educations discount on it!)

Oh yes, and I've already order iWork - £29 (academic price) for a word processor (that probably won't be as flexible as Word) and a far better than PowerPoint presentation suite can't be argued at. I'll post a review ehere when they turn up, if you guys are interested...

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Oh, and Automator is worth a look as well... 8)
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I don't deny the mac OS's huge advantage when it comes to academic tools. Having written essays and assorted academic papers for the past two years I came into contact with some great mac tools (not devonthink though).

They do not, however, justify the price tags on apple products (in my country you can pay the equivalent of £2000 for mac, or £500 for a PC that could do the same things and more).

The legend that macs are way better at handling graphics is also mostly gone. These days, only my friends who went to work in advertising (where one owns a mac as a fashion statement rather than as a productivity tool) use (their own) macs. Apple seems to recognize that, and has been focusing its marketing efforts to lure high-spending, fashion conscious buyers - not the practical person who needs certain tools.

This has let to an ever-dwindling market share in the PC market. They compensated for this with higher and higher prices. The design is great, granted, but macs were becoming so elitist they were dangerously close to extinction. Apple's exit strategy was two-fold: first, it tried to change its focus from PCs to multimedia.

But that presented them with a dilemma: are we really going to become the world's largest online music/media store, selling the gadgets that go with the content and sort of 'abandoning' the PC bussiness?

They knew they couldn't survive much longer as a 'designer PC' maker. PCs are becoming commodities, there's microsoft pressuring and copying everybody, and then there's the linux crowd with governments backing them... Apple, as I see it, saw itself in pretty much the situation as it was when Steve Jobs was called back.

The last time apple found itself in this situation (high-ish end products only, high price tags, marginal market share, worries about the future), it came up with the iMac. A "cheap" new mac would be the other part of the strategy, again this time.

Back when the iMac was launched, it was about the same thing as this new mac mini. A cheaper mac that still managed to look revolutionary etc. etc. I bought one. I can't say I regret it - it added 'Macintosh user' to my CV - but if I'd know I was going to leave Economics behind and become a journalism/communication student barely 18 months after (moving to a department full of Mac) I'd have saved a lot money and of trouble with that iMac. :D

Anyways. Back to Apple and Steve Jobs. He knew his designer clothes label couldn't survive in a market where people increasingly see the 'clothes' as commodities and move on to spend their hard-earned cash in other, 'more important/more distinctive' things. So he needed a cheap mac to compete with PCs but cashing in on Apple's strenght - design (both 'exterior' desing and interface/software desing).

On the other hand, a cheap mac with all (or most of) the functionality of its absurdly expensive brothers could cannibalize the sales of the very products that kept Apple alive. After all, the company feels distinctively Brazilian in its marketing mentality - sell a few items at a huge price and that's it. Problem is, unlike Brazil (where an inept goverment will guarantee you have the market for yourself by stifling competition), the world PC market is open and ferociously competitive.

So Apple always needs to find subtle ways to cripple its cheaper products to prevent them from competing with its own high-end systems.

In the Wintel/Linux PC world, this 'crippling' can be easily and cheaply overcome if you have even minimal knowledge of computers.

With Macs, you're stuck with a very limited machine that will be great for the first couple of months. After a year, you'd better throw it away and buy a new one, because it can't evolve (sometimes not even in software).

My advice? Unless you can seriously justify purchasing a mac - like deek, and he was smart and bough a used one - don't even come close to anything from apple that's not an iPod or a gadget like that.

Avoid their computers. They only look nice. :twisted:
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Post by Babe RuthLess »

Hehehe

I posted before I saw the "ads" (teaches a lesson about long posts doesn't it).

The ads sum up the Apple flame wars pretty well.

Thing is, I believed the hype once :oops:

Who am I kidding though. I overpaid for a VW when a Honda Fit (Jazz) would easily be the rational choice. Nokia shares go up when I leave home or visit shopping websites.

Bring on the mini-mac or whatever!
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Post by Tahrey1043 »

Looks cute, but i cant quite grasp why you wouldn't be as well to just get a small-screen iBook that you can use anywhere, and just plug it into full-size keyboard/mouse/monitor when back at home/the office. It'd happily stand on it's side behind a flat screen after all, or underneath your keyboard........ or double up as a mouse pad.

(can appreciate the senitment though, having bought a flat LCD and loving the cubic metre or so freed up by the old CRT)

Cost issues i guess, 699 vs 399 or however much they're charging for the mini thing (no built in screen, keyboard, trackpad thing = cheaplyness). Wonder if it'll show all the usual "virtues" of something designed down to a price point...

That combined with iLife and iWork would be about the things to convert me to giving a Mac a fair trial however - if it comes with a half decent graphics package, sound editor and video encoder, along with the word processor / speadsheet / dtp stuff, i'm sold. Do very little with the PC other than that and the internet.
(like, back in the day, using your atari or amiga, you might have had 2 boxes holding 100 floppies each, but there were only about 10 of them which had any major scuffing :D)

ipod shuffle, seems like a bit of an odd and pointless thing, but still funky all the same - i like how it's a USB key-pen thing but still has human sized controls.
to compare it to my latest minidisc (and possibly last) minidisc machine - the MD is bigger and heavier, considerably so, but has controls seemingly designed for a 5 year old japanese girl.. malnourished and dropping acid. ipod micro's buttons still look decent sized and intuitive by comparison. and i bet the shuffle mode is 2000% better than sony's lame duck "effort".

Both hold 1gb (or, take media that's up to 1gb.. though i only have the 1 x 1gb disc as they are a little rarer than was promised) ... which is about enough for a mobile device. Code at around 160k with a sensible frequency low-pass filter and moderate VBR turned on and it'll keep you going for a week of public transport to/from work with no repetition. Certainly found that with Hi-MD anyway. And with AAC, 128 or 160k supposedly sounds awesome..

wonder what the battery life (and risk of getting mugged!) is like though??
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Post by 13twelve »

Babe RuthLess wrote: Avoid their computers. They only look nice. :twisted:
actually i totally disagree

they dont only look nice

for first time computer users Apple Macs are easier to use.

And to be honest, for a serious computer user, and I mean *serious* Apple Macs are better machines to use.

Watch a typical Pc user and they click and right click and click and right click and click and right click.

Watch a proper Apple Mac user and they use both hands, one on the keyboard to operate keyboard short cuts and one on the mouse to now and then select things.

Having an apple mac is more than what computer to use.

Most apple mac users have clean desktops, well organised computers, naming conventions on files etc. where as pc users are sloppy in general - christ I use both and i'm sloppy on my pc and anal on my mac.

They look nice. Work nicer. The OS is more pleasant (though icons in win xp are quite lush). iTunes is amazing. Top graphics programs are still written for mac and then ported to the pc (though irratingly the flash player for the mac sucks massive balls).

The debate about which is better is as old as "chicken or the egg".

Its a personal choice. I just had to disagree with that point in the quote.

I think you should buy apple products cos it'll be sad to see the only real alternative to windows based systems die out.

It'll be like being forced to have Orange phones, Nike shoes, Kellogs cereal etc.

And for the record, lol they dont just look nicer. They look tons nicer lol (strokes my iBook)
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Post by Fluxcotine »

the mini mac is pretty cool, but for the price tag of 400 quids

you can pretty much build a good spec'd mini-itx

although its really temping coz the look of the mac, where do you get all the priated cheapo softwares from?

and imagine having to reinstall all your progs on the mac, just thinking how i would have to reinstall the ntl crap on a mini-mac if i did get one is enough to make me weep...
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