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Post by cuprabaz »

poussou wrote:[As for cuprabaz...all i can say to you man is find a valve or a program to play with and leave the serious tuning to us N/A owners....
Oh...and get your facts straight...
:lol: :lol:
GO F*CK YOURSELF COCKNOSE!!

Someone should do some SERIOUS tuning to you, you little prick. :lol: :lol:
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Post by bass mekanik »

*sits back with deckchair, popcorn and a coke watching the drama unfold*
:D

to be honest when it comes to this level of technicality under the hood- im clueless so i'l just spectate! :lol:

get me on ICE though- thats another thing altogether ;)
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cuprabaz wrote:
poussou wrote:[As for cuprabaz...all i can say to you man is find a valve or a program to play with and leave the serious tuning to us N/A owners....
Oh...and get your facts straight...
:lol: :lol:
GO F*CK YOURSELF COCKNOSE!!

Someone should do some SERIOUS tuning to you, you little prick. :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh.....Did i hurt your feelings Spanish boy ??? :lol: :lol:

Well truth hurts sometimes...Get used to it... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tigz wrote:
poussou wrote:1)Do you have ANY idea what are the limitations of a HYDRAULIC VALVE???Ever heard of VALVE BLEEDING???

2)The Gti engine is using drive... (not fly dude...this is not an airplane :lol: :lol: ) by wire, as most of the modern cars do, to minimize emmisions.This means it is an integral part of the engine managment and cant be replaced easily, at least not without sacrifizing viltal functions of the cars ECU.Oh...and of course you better put a sticker on your dashboard cause the check engine light will be on FOREVER.
To my knowledge the Leon race cars used a short circuit to fool the e- throttle, with the above mentioned consequences....But these are RACE CARS...

3)As for your suggestions, i really dont find anything new....Oh and another thing...Your..."simple camshaft change" as you say (which of course ISN'T) gave me 27 BHP increase AT THE WHEELS (Josh's car was RRed at ~100 HBP@wheels standard).Not every engine is the same....

A rolling road doesn't prove anything.
How was your tyre pressures that day? ;)
I take it if you are claimeing a 27hp increase (AT THE WHEELS - like you say, why I do not know, an increase is an increase) that you had a before an after on the same rolling road on the same day?
If not, Id keep that claims to yourself.
Other wise people may think you could be slightly mislead. :lol:
You cant judge your cars output with another car.
It doesnt work like that.


Drive/fly whats the diffrence.
Its the same thing!

You going to pick faults at everything said for the fun of it?

You keep going on about a check light?
Like I said, you have to change the ECU.
So you wont have a check light.

What are these "vital functions" of the ECU you will lose?

Do you know what an ECU does?

Fuel - Air - Spark

poussou wrote:1)Do you have ANY idea what are the limitations of a HYDRAULIC VALVE???Ever heard of VALVE BLEEDING???
Valve Bleeding?
Go on explain it to us.


:wink:

Think this will be intresting :lol:
From the looks of your car im guessing you have a 1.4 Lupo and not one with a Gti engine.That for one makes you ignorant to the peculiarities of this engine.

A RR is there to show you a basic value on which to work on.Do you honestly believe by changing tyre pressure you can gain on a RR measurement ?? :lol: :lol: I mean...PLEASE !!!!

The function of an ECU is not only spark-fuel-(air ?? :lol:).There are so many more cause we do live around 2005 you know....Systems check is one of them, ABS control is another, EDL control is another, TCS control is another, ESP control is another....Wan't me to go on ????

As for your last statement, as i already mentioned your degree of ignorance around the Gti (Lupo and/or Polo) engine prevents me from sharing information with you that you might not comprehent.Try Googling the above and once you've gotten a hint, come and share it with all of us... :wink:
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poussou wrote: A RR is there to show you a basic value on which to work on.Do you honestly believe by changing tyre pressure you can gain on a RR measurement ?? :lol: :lol: I mean...PLEASE !!!!
lmao you are more stupid than you sound!
Tyre pressures, the weight of a car all play a part in your RR figure.

Taken from Haynes High preformance tuneing series book 'Engine Managment'

"The Clever bit is meauseing the rolling loses on the run down, and adding these to the 'at the wheels' figure.
I can run in any gear and get the same power curve - but only after the rolling loses have been measured and added to the 'at the wheels' figure.
If I look at a 'at the wheels' figure power in diffrent gears at the same rpm I get a totally diffrent reading.

To prove a point I ran a Golf GTi at 3000rpm, and recorded the power at the wheels.
I then put another 10psi into the tyres.
This higher tyre pressure reduces the amount of distortion of the side wall and hence reduceing the rolling losses.
I 'gained' nearly 5bhp at the wheel

Morel: If you want more power at the wheels, or improve fuel consumption, keep your tyres up to pressure"


Would you like me to go on with this point?
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poussou wrote:From the looks of your car im guessing you have a 1.4 Lupo and not one with a Gti engine.That for one makes you ignorant to the peculiarities of this engine.
No actully mate, the car was bought brand new two years ago with a insurance friendly 1.0.
Now the girl has passed her year of 'Just passed' driving, she has her own car.
I am in the process of replaceing this witha 1.4 16v Polo engine.
So I have learned a bit about the 1400 engines.
I am also replaceing the crank, rods and pistons with 1600 16v units, to turn the 1400 into a 1600 with an easier to work on head.
So Ive been learning as much as I can about this engine also.

I am also fitting throttle boddies.

The after market ECU I am fitting will be mapped at home with a lap top and lamba sensor.
poussou wrote:As for your last statement, as i already mentioned your degree of ignorance around the Gti (Lupo and/or Polo) engine prevents me from sharing information with you that you might not comprehent.Try Googling the above and once you've gotten a hint, come and share it with all of us... :wink:

How much of your engine have you done yourself?
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poussou wrote:ABS control is another, EDL control is another, TCS control is another, ESP control is another....Wan't me to go on ????

Please if you could.
You even making my girlfriend laugh.

The ABS sensor is controled by a modual mate.
Not by the ECU.
The ECU does control the saftey fuel cut off when you touch your brakes and throttle peddle is pressed together.
So left foot brakeing is possable. By changing the ECU this also removed as well as ABS (does your gran drive your car, to say you need ABS?)

You sure your checking this info before you write it?
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Tigz wrote:
poussou wrote:1)Do you have ANY idea what are the limitations of a HYDRAULIC VALVE???Ever heard of VALVE BLEEDING???
Valve Bleeding?
Go on explain it to us.

Please, Im intrested in this.
I guess you must have missed this the first time.
Want to expand a little?
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Spanish boy?? I'm Scottish you f*cking fruit my car is built in spain from mostly VW/AUDI parts. Yes the poor cousin...

I take it you haven't had a serious look at your GTI or you wouldn't be slagging SEAT's as there are a few parts on the GTI that have SEAT badges on them. :roll:

Serious n/a tuning, that's interesting you should say that i go play with my valve when it is you that can't explain how you play with yours!! :lol: :lol:

So where's you big explanation on valve bleeding?? :roll:

27bhp from just a cam without mapping:lol: was the dyno plot written by a Mr M. Mouse.

As for you lack of RR knowledge :lol: :lol: :lol: If the tyre pressures are higher you'll get less transmission losses meaning higher bhp at the wheels. :lol: :lol: :lol: before you go laughing at other's YOU should find out the FACTS. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tigz wrote:
lmao you are more stupid than you sound!
Tyre pressures, the weight of a car all play a part in your RR figure.
THE WEIGHT OF THE CAR ????

PLAYS A ROLE ON A RR???

AAHAHAHAH...MAN DO YOU EVEN THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING????

AND THE TYRES....YOU GAINED 5HP FROM THAT ????

OMFG.....5HP CAN EVEN BE A STANDARD DEVIATION ERROR YOU MORON....MEASURE IT AGAIN AND YOU GET 5 LESS.....OR EVEN !) MORE...:lol: :lol:
Tigz wrote: How much of your engine have you done yourself?
Do you mean actually undoing the bolts??? :lol: :lol:
Tigz wrote: Please if you could.
You even making my girlfriend laugh.
Thats nice!!!Is she a mechanic???:lol: :lol:
Tigz wrote: The ABS sensor is controled by a modual mate.
Not by the ECU.
The ECU does control the saftey fuel cut off when you touch your brakes and throttle peddle is pressed together.
So left foot brakeing is possable. By changing the ECU this also removed as well as ABS (does your gran drive your car, to say you need ABS?)
See??Told you you have absolutely NO IDEA...The Polo Gti was one of the first VW models to feature EBD.Do you know what that is MATE?
The readings of wheels speed sensors are transfered to the ECU to adjust braking "per wheel", and as a plus using the EDL feature reduce sliping at corners and slipery road surfaces....But then again...you had NO IDEA...
As for "if it comes in handy" you obviously drive like your girlfriend cause it has saved my life and my car 3 times in the last 4 years.You may not be so lucky....
And another thing...Have you EVER tried doing what you just described with your left foot???I know i did...And it wasn't funny....
Tigz wrote: Please, Im intrested in this.
I guess you must have missed this the first time.
Want to expand a little?
I have already asked you to Google it, but you seem to be unable to even do that.So tell me...Have you even seen a Hydraulic Valve Lifter??
Do you know what are the characteristics of the lifters in the Gti engine??

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO A HYDRALIC LIFTER REVING BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT ???JUST LOOK AROUND FOR WORDS LIKE "PUMP-UP" AND "VALVE FLOAT"

As i said..Google it...Maybe you'll get a little bit smarter...
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cuprabaz wrote:Spanish boy?? I'm Scottish you f*cking fruit
Damn i knew it...Even worse... :lol: :lol:
cuprabaz wrote: I take it you haven't had a serious look at your GTI or you wouldn't be slagging SEAT's as there are a few parts on the GTI that have SEAT badges on them. :roll:
Well thats partly true..But there are alot of Seat parts that have the AUDI badge on them....What does that tell us about their quality???Absolutely NOTHING... :roll: :roll:
cuprabaz wrote: 27bhp from just a cam without mapping:lol: was the dyno plot written by a Mr M. Mouse.
Hmmm...Well that sentence only prooves you just landed from Mars...There is a WHOLE post about that...I suggest you read it first before you make a fool of yourself again....
cuprabaz wrote: As for you lack of RR knowledge :lol: :lol: :lol: If the tyre pressures are higher you'll get less transmission losses meaning higher bhp at the wheels. :lol: :lol: :lol: before you go laughing at other's YOU should find out the FACTS. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Right.....You forgot to mention the weight of the car (as it is sitting on the rollers... :lol: :lol: ) as your friend has...Do you know how much 5 HP is translated at the wheels???Hmmm??Oh well...you might be right.I have gained 25 HP insted of 27 :lol: :lol: :lol:Oh and BTW..The tyres are not part of the transmission.....
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Post by Tigz »

Tigz wrote: Taken from Haynes High preformance tuneing series book 'Engine Managment'

"The Clever bit is meauseing the rolling loses on the run down, and adding these to the 'at the wheels' figure.
I can run in any gear and get the same power curve - but only after the rolling loses have been measured and added to the 'at the wheels' figure.
If I look at a 'at the wheels' figure power in diffrent gears at the same rpm I get a totally diffrent reading.
I didnt say I got 5bhp from tyres.

At least read what is being writen in posts.

And yes the weight of a car has an effect.
Go and speak to someone who knows about Rolling roads.




ABS I do not want.
It takes power away from the wheels when it wants to
Not when I do.




Im not Googleing it, as I would like you to explain what the f**k you are talking about.

I no alot about Valve lifters.

I just want YOU to explain it.

Reason? Because I belive you are full of s**t.



Have you EVER tried doing what you just described with your left foot???I know i did...And it wasn't funny....
No Id imagen it wasnt.

But then again, if you have to reley on ABS to save your life 3 times in 4 years, you obviously can not control a car enough to attempt left foot brakeing.
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Post by cuprabaz »

poussou wrote:[The tyres are not part of the transmission.....
I know the wheels aren't part of the transmission but they do effect RR readings at the wheels!!
Flat tyre's create more drag, yes!! Hard tyres = less drag.

Ok I give up, your a jack ass, with no imagination. :lol:

Out of interest where are you from?
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Post by forbezGti »

so poussou are you saying that you gained 25 bhp from a set of cams?????
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Post by poussou »

forbezGti wrote:so poussou are you saying that you gained 25 bhp from a set of cams?????
I have already mentioned the mods to the car in a previous post.Not going to get into that again.Please use the "seach" function of the forum.

And yes, ive gained 27 BHP (according to my dyno scan,already posted in the forum) and in a pretty "conservative" dyno.

Josh has already mentioned his Gti measured at ~100 @ the wheels stock...
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