Dashboard swap! Seat Toledo Instrument Cluster on Cross Polo 6R

[wasiesto]

hello everyone,
what file do you use to update the cluster?

I can't find the FRF file with the 6R0920870 firmware

[til3tsio]

You can use other pq25 files and edit the eeprom.
What's the part number that you have now and why do you want to update?

[sejuani]

I need help from the masters !
long story sort ....
I updated my toledo's 6JA SW:711 cluster with amarok 2H0 SW:729.

The problem is that the mfsw’s right wheel that used to control up and down on MFD screen does not work, it works only in the phone menu.
All other buttons work ok, everything else seems ok, also tried 7E0 SW:720, also tried restoring backed up original SEAT eeprom with no luck.

SEAT and Skoda use wheels for volume and mfd up/down and seems that something is missing there, but why work only on one menu is a mystery. Also came to the conclusion that 6JA 711 firmware was in clusters that were produced long after the VW x7xx firmware, but together with the x8xx.

As I do not have access to my original frf file as it was not available on Erwin disks, using newer VW files x8xx or 100x seems a promising solution. There are references that people used these files but they are kept secret so I cannot find them.
I am open to suggestions / directions of any kind.

Hi, til3tsio, do you have any tips for the final version FL on your 6JA920840 IC?
I have a 6JA IC (SW: 6JA 920 940 C, HW: 6JA 920 940 C, H05 0709), and I hope it can be updated to 0805 for RTA. Thanks!
I saw that you said the MFSW’s right wheel does not work on 2H0 SW:729.

[til3tsio]

It did not work in my case but only because I have a Seat steering wheel.
Seat steering wheels have scroling wheels insted of the "legacy" up/down buttons .
I had to update to 1xxx firmware to fix this issue.

from erwin disks seems that frf software on 7xx do not support RTA , I have tested 5C6 710, 6JA 711, 7E0 720, 2H0 725
I have also tested 5C6 818 and it had RTA
2H6 1120 has RTA but I was not able to find out the corect wheel wheel circumference for my car.

there is also a "custom" 2H0 1009 obx file available that supports RTA.

if you go over 1xxx you are going to lose the green side assist led functionality
if you go to 818 and over something is changing on the security algorithm and you can not downgrade again to 7xx via obd and also you can not access it throught obd using cloned tools like fvdi 2014.

and of course any firmware that you try needs eeprom editing to adjust it to your cluster layout

[sejuani]

It did not work in my case but only because I have a Seat steering wheel.
Seat steering wheels have scroling wheels insted of the "legacy" up/down buttons .
I had to update to 1xxx firmware to fix this issue.

from erwin disks seems that frf software on 7xx do not support RTA , I have tested 5C6 710, 6JA 711, 7E0 720, 2H0 725
I have also tested 5C6 818 and it had RTA
2H6 1120 has RTA but I was not able to find out the corect wheel wheel circumference for my car.

there is also a "custom" 2H0 1009 obx file available that supports RTA.

if you go over 1xxx you are going to lose the green side assist led functionality
if you go to 818 and over something is changing on the security algorithm and you can not downgrade again to 7xx via obd and also you can not access it throught obd using cloned tools like fvdi 2014.

and of course any firmware that you try needs eeprom editing to adjust it to your cluster layout

Thanks for replying.
Sounds great. I’m excited to try 5C6 818 if I can find the FRF.
The side assist LED is fine; I didn’t add it to my IC.
I’ll back up my EEPROM before doing the update. By the way, is it necessary to back up the immobilizer to prevent any anti-theft errors?

[til3tsio]

There is always risk on updating software on all the modules.
I haven't faced any issues with immobilizer, but I definitely had to do eeprom editing.

In what car you are going to install it , a polo ?
What is it a tsi or a tdi ?
I can help with the file.

[sejuani]

There is always risk on updating software on all the modules.
I haven't faced any issues with immobilizer, but I definitely had to do eeprom editing.

In what car you are going to install it , a polo ?
What is it a tsi or a tdi ?
I can help with the file.

Thanks for your help.
I have a POLO with a CLSA engine, and the following are the results from my VCDS scan:

Code: Select all

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CLSA)       Labels: 
   Part No SW: 03C 906 014 FR    HW: 03C 906 014 
   Component: CLSA-MM7GV-G  H02 8635  
   Revision: --H02---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 001A0014022400000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 08192
   VCID: 72E1870AAEAF28DFAA-5178

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 750 LK    HW: 09G 927 750 LK
   Component: AQ 250 6F           2601  
   Revision: 00H98000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000328
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 08192
   VCID: 050BCCD64F212F679F-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.lbl
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 CB    HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
   Component: ESP9.0i front H04 0003  
   Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 61DD2463422603C2861A246E4259C0400809
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 08192
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003031
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_003_VW21.rod
   VCID: 0005DDC29B030A4FAC-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 654     HW: 6R0 959 654 
   Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H07 0070  
   Serial number: 02081613470700
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001
   ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
   VCID: 7EF9A33AE1F77CBFDE-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 Q    HW: 6R0 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H12 0615  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 418318C6D889C347E3-8014

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6RU 937 087 P    HW: 6RU 937 087 
   Component: BCM IM H+4    H41 0444  
   Revision: BZ041001    Serial number: 8700 110170564
   Coding: 3AB02FF808F36E00B33800006DAB969000C860FF608E0100220000000A00
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 6FE78E7EBE9D053745-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 547 
   Component: RLHS 091221 0  50  0107 
   Coding: 0728DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 EC    HW: 6R0 959 801 EC  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  023 2551 
   Serial number: 13102851160307203215
   Coding: 640000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 EG    HW: 6R0 959 802 EG  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  023 2551 
   Serial number: 13102850160217193348
   Coding: 640000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 6RU 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 6RU 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442     HW: 6C0 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023 
   Serial number: 0431722560500067AB2B
   Coding: 240000

   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 S    HW: 6R0 959 811 S
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  022 1552 
   Serial number: 13202728170223141457
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 S    HW: 6R0 959 812 S
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  022 1552 
   Serial number: 13102729170223103338
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 L    HW: 56D 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H02 0106  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 35841522901332
   Coding: 308001
   Shop #: WSC 01681 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3B7F6A2EB265A997B9-806E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 J    HW: 6R0 959 655 J
   Component: VW10AirbagU0J H10 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GW019WCZB
   Coding: 00304A
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 08192
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 499300E6E8B90B073B-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6JA 920 940 C    HW: 6JA 920 940 C
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 141800
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 3C7D6932B76BAEAFB0-8068

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 
   Part No SW: 6RU 909 901     HW: 6RU 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H41 0444  
   Revision: BZ041001    
   Coding: 002204
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 193390A61099BB874B-804C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6AD19F6A8D7FE01F12-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:. 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 C    HW: 5Q0 907 686 C
   Component: HRE_Master    H12 0081  
   Serial number: 0484698770
   Coding: 03011102
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: no
   VCID: 3D7B6436AC71A7A787-8068

No ASAM Dataset: "EV_HREntryHella" (VW25) 
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
   Part No SW: 1S1 909 144 P    HW: 1S1 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ECU       H51 1702  
   Coding: 0001000101000000
   Shop #: WSC 33930 004 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 014008
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_014.rod
   VCID: 40851DC2DB83CA4FEC-8014

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: MIB2-S-R-CN   036 0358  
   Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ6Z2Q7089808
   Coding: 1E000440040000
   Shop #: WSC 00081 790 00126
   VCID: 46890BDAF1A7E47FD6-8012

No fault code found.

My original instruments were 6RF 920 861 D (H02 5006).
After changing to the new cluster, I used "VAG Dash Editor (24c32 & 24c64) V7.3" to edit the EEPROM and adjust it to my cluster layout.

[til3tsio]

RTA seems turned off in your scan.
If you turn it on does your abs and the rcd330 support it ?

[sejuani]

RTA seems turned off in your scan.
If you turn it on does your abs and the rcd330 support it ?

These are good tips.
I found that CDRX and Robert (on the T6 forum) mentioned that I need to install a 1K8 PDC module (from 7E0 919 475 L) to activate RTA, along with ABS, an ABS sensor, Discover Media/Composition Media...
Well, maybe I should give up

[sejuani]

Today, I still tried to do something.
First, I updated my PDC module to 7E0 919 475 AA and changed the coding to 30A001 (is this correct?) to enable RTA.
Second, I tried to update my IC to 5C6 818, but it failed (I tried vehicle projects VW25X and VW36X).
I also have 2H6 1120, but I know finding the correct wheel circumference is really annoying.

[til3tsio]

In VCP you have to do an extra step to trick the security algorithm using an older firmware for the firmware to update,
in odis I do not know. Maybe someone here can help.

[MrCollayder]

You can use this service to convert frf to odx. And than manually change SA2 key. Also check "layer-refs"
String <LAYER-REF DOCREF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05" DOCTYPE="LAYER" ID-REF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05"/> consists A0x. This x MUST be the same as yours.

[sejuani]

You can use this service to convert frf to odx. And than manually change SA2 key. Also check "layer-refs"
String <LAYER-REF DOCREF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05" DOCTYPE="LAYER" ID-REF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05"/> consists A0x. This x MUST be the same as yours.

Thanks for the information.
My original IC is A04(EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723), and the "layer-refs" of the 0818 5C6 IC is also A04.
(LAYER-REF DOCREF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A04" DOCTYPE="LAYER" ID-REF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A04"/)
It's fine to upload the new FRF to the original IC, but it shows the following error:
Error during update programming; Job runtime: 0:00:05.158; Initial repetitions: 0; Total repetitions: 0; Last value of STmin: 4294967295 µs; unknown Failure - Programming aborted

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[MrCollayder]

You can use this service to convert frf to odx. And than manually change SA2 key. Also check "layer-refs"
String <LAYER-REF DOCREF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05" DOCTYPE="LAYER" ID-REF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A05"/> consists A0x. This x MUST be the same as yours.

Thanks for the information.
My original IC is A04(EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723), and the "layer-refs" of the 0818 5C6 IC is also A04.
(LAYER-REF DOCREF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A04" DOCTYPE="LAYER" ID-REF="EV_KombiUDSVDDRM09_A04"/)
It's fine to upload the new FRF to the original IC, but it shows the following error:
Error during update programming; Job runtime: 0:00:05.158; Initial repetitions: 0; Total repetitions: 0; Last value of STmin: 4294967295 µs; unknown Failure - Programming aborted
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Than it's really SA2 key fault. Try copy it from the other sw.

[sejuani]

Than it's really SA2 key fault. Try copy it from the other sw.

I really appreciate it.
I changed the SA2 key, and everything is good—no errors occurred.
Now I have 5C6 818 and RTA menu.
However, I have a warning for the brake fluid level on the IC.
I'll check 0x2CB later to see what's going on. Thank you again!